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 MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican President Felipe Calderon accused the United States on Thursday of dumping criminals at the border because it is cheaper than prosecuting them, and said the practice has fueled violence in Mexico's border areas.
U.S. officials earlier this week reported a record number of deportations in fiscal year 2011, and said the number of deportees with criminal convictions had nearly doubled since 2008.
"There are many factors in the violence that is being experienced in some Mexican border cities, but one of those is that the American authorities have gotten into the habit of simply deporting 60 (thousand) or 70,000 migrants per year to cities like Ciudad Juarez or Tijuana," Calderon told an immigration conference.
Among these deportees "there are many who really are criminals, who have committed some crime and it is simply cheaper to leave them on the Mexican side of the border than to prosecute them, as they should do, to see whether they are guilty or not," Calderon said. "And obviously, they quickly link up with criminal networks on the border."
On Tuesday, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton said his agency deported nearly 400,000 individuals during the fiscal year that ended in September, the largest number of removals in the agency's history.
Morton announced the 2011 numbers in Washington, saying about 55 percent of those deported had felony or misdemeanor convictions. Officials said the number of those convicted of crimes was up 89 percent from 2008. The vast majority of migrants, and deportees, are from Mexico.
There are no records to substantiate whether U.S. authorities opt for deporting undocumented Mexican nationals who have committed crimes instead of prosecuting them in the U.S.
The U.S. embassy declined to comment on Calderon's speech.
When Mexicans without documents finish their prison terms in the United States, they're bused to the border and freed. Mexican officials in Tijuana have said some deportees turn to petty crime but couldn't say if they were feeding drug cartels.
The Associated Press in the past year has repeatedly asked the Mexican government to document the impact of leaving deportees with criminal records at the border. The AP filed a freedom of information request asking Mexico's Foreign Ministry how many times the U.S. had notified Mexico it was deporting a convicted criminal and how many people arrested for drug trafficking in Mexico had prior records in the U.S. The foreign ministry said it didn't have such numbers. The office of Calderon's former security spokesman Alejandro Poire did not respond to similar queries.
The United States and Mexico are experimenting with new methods of alerting Mexico about deportations, and U.S. officials say they warn Mexico when former inmates are considered particularly dangerous.
Mexicans with criminal records in the U.S. can't be detained in Mexico if they have not violated the law in their home country, and some Mexican border cities complain they don't have any easy way to run criminal background checks on deported inmates to see if they have pending charges.
One deported criminal, Martin Estrada Luna, is accused of becoming a leader of a cell of the Zetas drug cartel in the border state of Tamaulipas just 18 months after he was deported from the United States. Estrada, who had a long rap sheet of mostly theft and property crimes in Washington state, is now in custody in Mexico City, where he is accused for masterminding the killing of more than 250 people.
Calderon also lashed out at what he called "absurd" and "irrational" immigration laws in the United States.
"To the extent to which they continue to put absurd curbs on migration, to the degree to which they continue to persecute migrants in the United States in an irrational way that sometimes violates their human rights, in that measure American society will continue to lose competitiveness..." he said.
That was an apparent reference to tough immigration laws like the one implemented in Alabama in late September. While courts have blocked some provisions of the law, judges let stand provisions that allow police to check a person's immigration status during a traffic stop.
Under the measure, courts also can't enforce contracts involving illegal immigrants, such as leases, and it is a felony for an illegal immigrant to do business with the state for basic things like getting a driver's license.
Calderon said immigration shouldn't be seen as a threat or invasion; he noted that net migration of Mexicans to the United States is approaching zero, as fewer people leave and more come back.
Rafael Fernandez de Castro, head of the International Relations studies at the Monterrey Technological Institute, told the conference that about 200,000 Mexicans per year are returning to their country, and that Mexican schools are facing a new problem: tens of thousands of Mexican children are coming back each year with little or no Spanish.
"In the last couple of school years in Mexico, literally tens of thousands of children have turned up with last names like Sanchez, Fernandez, or Hinojosa and, it must be said, they don't speak Spanish, they speak English," Fernandez de Castro said. "We have to ask California and Texas how they managed to integrate these Mexican children who went to the United States and didn't speak English."
 
 
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Our prisons are about full.  Unless they have committed a serious crime against an American during their stay, why should we pay to keep them?  If the Mexican Government is that concerned, let them wait at the border crossing, and weed out the illegal returns who they feel should be locked up.
 
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My heart bleeds for El Presidente Calderon. ::)   Maybe we should bill his country for the carnage his people have caused in our country.

Isn't this statement by Calderon hypocritical?  "Calderon also lashed out at what he called "absurd" and "irrational" immigration laws in the United States."  Mexican immigration laws are tougher than those of the US, and they enforce them rigidly against Central and South Americans who sneak into Mexico.  Guess he believes in "do as I say, not as I do".  Hmmm? Doesn't that sound familiar? Sounds sort of like another democratic politician currently in power. :o
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I think every State in the union should come up with a ball park figure of the cost per state for damages done by these illegal criminals and sue calderone for that amt. Drs, hospitols, schools, welfare, other aid, theft, jail expenses, etc, not to mention property damage from wrecks from illegal criminals with no insurance. Somewhere I read that 4 or 5 yrs ago it amounted to well over $ 34 billion a year nationwide, no doubt dbled by now. That money should be used helping Americans, not subsidizing criminals. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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PM, truer words have never been said.   They don't want to speak English, fine, they can go back where they came from.   

The libs here will call me a xenophobe, but I guarantee in mexico no one is going to go out of their way to speak English to me.

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Well all I can say to Calderon is "Tough darts"!!
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SWAMPTHING. I believe the dems and other libs refer to anybody who wants to see the laws enforced as racists. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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I think every State in the union should come up with a ball park figure of the cost per state for damages done by these illegal criminals and sue calderone for that amt. Drs, hospitols, schools, welfare, other aid, theft, jail expenses, etc, not to mention property damage from wrecks from illegal criminals with no insurance. Somewhere I read that 4 or 5 yrs ago it amounted to well over $ 34 billion a year nationwide, no doubt dbled by now. That money should be used helping Americans, not subsidizing criminals. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

More like $113 billion now, according to recent Fox News report...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/
 

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OFITG. Thanks for the link, it  would be a good thread to start. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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calderon is nothing but a big whiner.we are generously returning his former countrymen to his care safe and sound and he wants to complain about it? wanna bet if we put one of his career murdering criminals to death, he would whine about that too?

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The guy don't want the parasitic class of people that snuck up here either. We need to send him about 200 million of our lice and tapeworms we have here.
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The guy don't want the parasitic class of people that snuck up here either. We need to send him about 200 million of our lice and tapeworms we have here.
Good point Billy. I wondered about the diseases they brought with them. Some alot more serious than lice and tapeworms.

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My heart bleeds for El Presidente Calderon. ::)   Maybe we should bill his country for the carnage his people have caused in our country.

Isn't this statement by Calderon hypocritical?  "Calderon also lashed out at what he called "absurd" and "irrational" immigration laws in the United States."  Mexican immigration laws are tougher than those of the US, and they enforce them rigidly against Central and South Americans who sneak into Mexico.  Guess he believes in "do as I say, not as I do".  Hmmm? Doesn't that sound familiar? Sounds sort of like another democratic politician currently in power. :o

  Well put.

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The guy don't want the parasitic class of people that snuck up here either. We need to send him about 200 million of our lice and tapeworms we have here.
Good point Billy. I wondered about the diseases they brought with them. Some alot more serious than lice and tapeworms.

 
YEP, and don't forget the bedbugs, they bring em with em. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
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