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Offline Bllade

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Question on prepping to Fire Lap
« on: November 25, 2011, 06:30:00 AM »
I received my lapping kit and tapered slugs last week to lap the barrel of my Ruger 454 Casul with 9-1/2" barrel. I've read through most of the posts here and on other forums I attend but still have several unanswered questions concerning preparing the bullets to fire.
First off, I do not cast my own so I intended to use 250gr, WNFP laser cast from Oregon Trail. I've stripped and cleaned all the lubricant from the bullets but am concerned as to whether they are too hard to use. Advice?
Second, I've been told to set the bullets in fired but un-resized brass. I can do this but when I seat a bullet in the casing once it gets past the initial seat the bullet just falls into the case. Can they be fired this way or should I resize the cases?
On the large 454 case is 2-3 grains of bullseye a sufficient charge or should I start higher and load down as necessary?

Lastly, I have slugged the barrel and throats on the revolver. The throats measure at .453" and the barrel measures to .450". Will there still be enough throat clearance after lapping the barrel?
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Re: Question on prepping to Fire Lap
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 06:22:04 PM »
  Anneal the Lazercast bullets by heating in a kitchen oven at 350 deg F, letting the thermostat cycle at least twice, then shut it off, leaving bullets in the oven to cool.  When the bullets are cool to the touch, use immediately.  Shoot them within 8 hours.  If you have bullets left over which sit into the next day, anneal again.

  I have never measured the hardness of any lazer cast that is is hard as they say.  16 bhn is the highest I've found.  That is just a little too hard for best lapping, though it isn't real bad.  They could be used as is.

Start with 2 grains,  not 3.  Better to stick a bullet and have to drive it back out than to have to clean out leading, which is certain if you use too much powder.

  If barrel groove diameter is larger than cylinder throat diameter, the bottom of the grooves will not get lapped.  You'll only clean up the rifling edges and tops of the lands, which is better than not doing anything with it.   If your 454 is a Freedom Arms, you need to realize that they make their barrels oversize on purpose and haven't shown any desire to change in the 15 years or so that my customers have been complaining to them.  They say they do it to reduce pressures, and because of their very precise barrel to cylinder alignment, they do get pretty good results with jacketed.  However, this does not make a good cast bullet gun.
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Re: Question on prepping to Fire Lap
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 09:37:38 AM »
Veral,
Thanks for the reply, one unanswered question on the cases. Should I resize the cases since the bullets tend to fall into them once I get past the bullet seat? Right now I have one round that the bullet pretty much slides up and down in the case even though it will not fall out. It hangs up right around the lube groove.
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SRH 454
Detonics Combat Master
Para P14
Shotguns
Black Rifles

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Re: Question on prepping to Fire Lap
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 04:37:43 PM »
  No, don't size PISTOL cases.  Just push your bullets down in till they wedge in the tapered part of the case.  For rifles you'll probably have to size.

  I forgot to mention one very important thing about the LBT lap kit and the instructions which come with it.   ---  I am the person who developed the fire lapping process, and I wrote those instructions while selling my kit to thousands of customers.  Every time someone would ask a new question which wasn't answered in the instructions, I rewrote them.    So, they are fool proof, as long as you don't try to follow someone elses directions also.  If you get directions from a fool who thinks he knows more than I've learned with years of experiance, they are no longer fool proof.  The fool will cause you problems.

  Also, to anyone using my products of any kind.  I'm an email away, ready to help with any problem you have.   There aren't many things that can go wrong, in any part of the cast bullet program, which I can't give an intellegent answer on.    I can ALWAYS fix any problem if I have my hands on the gun, mold etc, and can almost always help my customers, but there are times when comunication leaves a weak spot which is hard to get around.  But try me anyhow.  I'm even graceful when asked questions about how to make other manufactures products work.

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