Author Topic: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore  (Read 3947 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline dougk

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1937
  • Driftwood TEXAS
Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« on: November 17, 2011, 05:07:02 PM »
What have you found is your maximum effective range for 12 or 16 gauge slugs out of a smooth bore gun?  What slugs were you using?
thanks
Doug

Offline Lon371

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (53)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2486
  • Gender: Male
  • Why Not a Handi?
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 08:29:08 PM »
 As a general rule, I was always told effective range is "how far can YOU put all shots on a paper plate or smaller EVERYTIME". From a smooth bore I would say you will be limited to 75 yards maybe less. I normally do not have to shoot more than 50 yards. If I had to shoot a bit farther, I would chance it. I have been using the same gun for a hair short of 20 years.
 
 In short, study up on the slugs see what energy it has at how far out. Then practice and practice.  Modern day slug rifled barrels, with the correct slug and shooter 125 to 150 yards are not unheard of.
 
Lonny

Offline bulletstuffer

  • Trade Count: (25)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 694
  • Gender: Male
  • Overkill begins when hair shoots out the antlers.
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 01:44:32 AM »
Lon371 hit it right on the head :)   Each gun, load and shooter have different limitations and the only way to find out is practice.  After you find the slug that works best in you gun off the bench, shoot at the plate from field positions and you will really see the limitations of the hunter and their weapon. 
 
You probably already knew this but it really is a good question ;) 
 
Good shooting,
 
Bulletstuffer
I am the first to work when I have to and the first to go on vacation when I can!  God Bless America!!!

Offline yellowtail3

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5664
  • Gender: Male
  • Oh father of the four winds, fill my sails!
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 03:40:10 AM »
shooting Brenneke KOs out of my 870 smooth bore, I'm comfortable to 50-75 yards.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

Offline wink_man

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 309
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 06:27:25 AM »
What have you found is your maximum effective range for 12 or 16 gauge slugs out of a smooth bore gun?  What slugs were you using?
thanks
Doug

Doug, cannot say anything about 16's. Have never messed with them, however, I've been playing with smoothbore slug guns in 12 & 20 gauge since the mid 60's(as I'm sure you've read in past posts by me).
 
We use smoothbore slug guns and foster slugs almost exculsively anymore. Just don't see the need to pick up a rifled barrel slug for ranges inside of 125 yards, and we're hard pressed to get a shot at 125 yards here, half that distance or less tends to be the norm here.
 
I don't find it relatively difficult to get a smoothbore slug gun to shoot accurately out to 125 yards. Matter of fact, if I can't get one to shoot accurately out to that range(and that hasn't happened yet), I'd get rid of the gun.
 
Winchester foster slugs are my slug of choice, both in 12 and 20 gauge. They are the least fussy and most accurate in the greater majority of smoothbore slug guns(in my experience), and if a smoothbore slug gun came into my ownership that wouldn't shoot them accurately, I'd get rid of that gun too.
 
Smoothbore accuracy really doesn't require a whole lot of tweaking in my opinion. Everytime I hear glowing statements from people that accuacy with a smooth bore slug gun is 50 yards maximum, I always chuckle to myself, knowing that the person who made the statement has literally no experience shooting slugs in a smoothbore slug barrel, but rather, took a fowling piece with just a front bead and pointed it at a target and couldn't hit it(if he even did that). Well, you wouldn't use just a front bead with a rifle, or a rifled slug gun that shoots a single projectile, so why is it supposed to work with a smoothbore slug gun shooting a single projectile?
 
The 2 keys I've found for smoothbore repeatable accuracy, is a barrel that fits snugly into the receiver giving you a tight fit with no wobble, and a RIGIDLY mounted scope. Obviously, smoothbore slug barrels aren't made with cantilevers, so the scope needs to be mounted rigidly to the receiver of the gun, either via drilling & tapping the receiver, having a receiver thats drilled and tapped from the factory, or the proper saddle/side mount(of which very few are any good).
 
The kids and I have found on the average run of the mill 12 gauge smoothbore slug gun, if it is sighted in 2 inches high with 2 3/4 inch Winchester foster slugs at 50 yards, it will be about an inch high at 75 yards and dead on at 100 yards, a few inches low at 125 yards.
The 20 gauges with the same Winchester 2 3/4 inch slug sighted in 2 inches high at 50 yards are dead on at 75 yards and about an inch low at 100 yards. So with either the 12 or 20, you can simply hold dead on from zero to 100 yards if you aim for the lungs, hold a little high with the 12 at 125 yards, and at the top of the deers back with the 20.
 
Price difference in a box of foster slugs versus sabots allows one to practice regularly at these ranges without having to go for a second mortgage on your home if you had to buy that quantity of saboted slugs. And practice is what gives you the confidence to make the shot and get your deer.
 
Smoothbore accuracy doesn't require a newer weapon either. Here is the gun that started it all for me, a vintage 1963 Ithaca 37 12 gauge featherweight that I purchased a smoothbore slug barrel for a year after I bought the gun. Set up with a Weaver Converta Mount(which isn't made for an Ithaca 37 anymore) and a Bushnell Banner 1.5X4.5 variable scope, this gun is now on it's second generation owner, being passed down to my son. Been killing deer efficiently all these years with foster slugs and the smoothbore slug barrel. Here's a deer he shot yesterday with it, fairly close, at 30-35 yards, but the gun also has the distinction of making the longest kill of any of our smoothbore slug guns. 2 years ago son took a doe at 128 LASERED yards with it, in front of two witnesses, across an open field, one shot, bang flop. Not bad for a gun thats been knocking around since 1963.
Garry
'Life is to short to hang with an ugly woman, or hunt with an ugly gun' - Garry
'It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't' Ronald Reagan
Just ask an American Indian what happens when you let immigration get out of hand.

Offline kevinsmith5

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1274
  • Gender: Male
Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 06:40:30 AM »
I have a cylinder bore Mossberg 5500 that I would trust out to 125 yards with 2 3/4" slugs. I've put five in a Chinnette plate at 100 with it (just to prove a "50 yarder" wrong). Imagine I could push that with 3", but it kicks like an angry mule with 2 3/4". I really only use it where I am just not allowed to use a rifle though (which is not that many places here).
If he's carrying a singleshot, don't expect a warning shot!

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 06:50:49 AM »
Good points on the gun set up , would add that inside mesurements mean a lot. Some cyl. bbls shoot relatively good others don't. The addition of a choke tube in some cases can help. I have a REm 870 that would not shoot slugs well until a mod tube was installed. Also there are tubes aval. that work with foster/lead slugs. I have one for a 20 ga it seems to work.
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline kevinsmith5

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1274
  • Gender: Male
Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 07:26:21 AM »
Anyone tried these rifled choke tubes I've seen? I don't want one, but am curious if they work.
If he's carrying a singleshot, don't expect a warning shot!

Offline SHOOTALL

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23836
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 07:59:56 AM »
I have in a 20 ga. The seem to work. I have not done alot of testing.
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

Offline wink_man

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 309
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 12:42:47 PM »
Anyone tried these rifled choke tubes I've seen? I don't want one, but am curious if they work.

I have one, for my Remington 1100 slug barrel, along with the improved cylider choke tube, the only slug barrel I have with screw in chokes and the only barrel I haven't shot yet.
 
The improved cylinder choke tube is in the barrel, and I'm willing to bet that if I ever do use that barrel, that choke tube won't ever come out.
 
While there is definitely a need for rifling with sabot slugs, I've never seen the need for it with foster slugs.
 
My reasoning for the above sentence goes back to the original Hastings barrel advertisements when their fully rifled slug barrel was first introduced. I'm going back to the days before the sabot slug was even thought of. Hastings recommended Winchester foster slugs for their barrel in their advertisements, stating you would get the most accurate results using them. But what REALLY caught my attention in their add was the statement 'A ridgidly mounted scope can shrink groups by as much as 350%'. Again, this was in the days of foster slugs, and I took that statement to mean that if you had a rigidly mounted scope, you didn't need a hastings rifled barrel for foster slugs. I think I was right, LMAO.
Garry
'Life is to short to hang with an ugly woman, or hunt with an ugly gun' - Garry
'It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't' Ronald Reagan
Just ask an American Indian what happens when you let immigration get out of hand.

Offline jem44357

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 62
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 10:49:42 PM »
Anyone tried these rifled choke tubes I've seen? I don't want one, but am curious if they work.

I have one in my Encore Fox Ridge Outfitters 20" 20 GA. barrel with TRU-GLO sights. It would shoot 5-6" groups at 50 yds. and 6-8" at 100 yds. with an IMP CYL tube. With the rifled choke tube it went to 3-4" at 50 and 5-6" at 100 (these measurements were done with my hand so give or take 1/4 to 1/2 inch. I was using Winchester 2-3/4 rifled slugs the box said 1600 fps. As I sat in my ladder stand with my shooting stick locked into my strap and my arm resting on my chair I felt confident I could shoot to the path I could see a straight line to... I paced it off at 118 steps.
 
I also have a Rem. 870 with a 26" barrel bead sight rifled choke tube and shooting the REM. copper solids it would do 6-8" at 100. For comparison with the synthetic stocks cantilever barrel and a 3" moa dot scope it will do 100 yd 4" groups all day long with the copper solids.
 
Jim
 
I lean to the Right and aim at the Left

Offline Mack in N.C.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 271
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 07:07:45 PM »
Got an old Ithca deerslayer with 24 in smoothbore easily good out to 100 if not a little farther......I shoot Remmington 1 oz sluggers.......
 
see my blog on my last slug killed one though this one was only a 30 yd shot..
 
http://mackinncblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/hunting-with-otto.html

Offline hunt-m-up

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (27)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1122
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 07:35:36 PM »
100-125yds with Winchester 1 oz. Foster type slugs/12 guage
Crosman Slingshot, Daisy Red Ryder, dull butter knife

Offline cattleskinner

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 448
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 08:52:56 AM »
Well I would say 125 yds right now for a 20 gauge smoothbore shooting the original Brenneke Rottweil slugs.  At least I got a doe this year at that distance with a clean pass through.
"You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight"

Offline dannyfro

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 261
  • Gender: Male
Re: Maximum Slug Effective Range out of a smooth bore
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 08:36:01 PM »
I hunt with an old Smith&Wesson 3000p with an old Leupold post sight fixed 4 power that my dad gave me. He picked up a smooth bore rifle sight barrel for it for $40 new in the box. It has killed more deer then anything else I have and I shot my deer this year with it at 30 yards and I have to say I have never seen a deer go down that fast in my life! At the crack of the gun it disappeared so fast my buddy thought I had missed. Walked over the edge of the hill and there it lay sprawled out on all fours. I have shot my slug gone quite a bit at the range and tried several different foster slugs and I have found the Winchester 3" magnums to shoot the past out of my gun. It produces 4-5" groups at 100yds. Though the least accurate gun I own it has so far proven to be the one to get the job done....Ironic. I would feel completely comfortable at 125yds...if I get a chance to take a crack at the 150yd gong before next season that will tell me if I can push it farther.

Dan