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cheap...but accurate!
« on: November 27, 2011, 03:50:17 PM »
i usually shoot hornady factory loads or corbon for hunting deer BUT i bought i box of these american eagle 158gr. jsp. they sure do shoot accurate out to 50yrds out of my 6" gp100! would you hunt with them?! the last deer i killed was with a 180gr. corbon lead bullet.
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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 12:47:57 AM »
Those American Eagle rounds should work for you.  If one doesn't take the deer, use another on top of it. 
 
It's too bad you don't reload, you can do better with reloads than with any cor-bon load; of course, I am assuming that anyone who would buy corbon doesn't reload, hence they buy that stuff. 

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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 02:46:43 AM »
yeah im about to start reloading:)
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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 07:45:56 AM »
The American Eagle 158 gr in a .357 will work fine. My son has killed 5 or 6 hogs that were over 200lb with them and no problems.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 08:48:18 AM »
When I was shooting IMHSA it got so I didn't have time to reload. I had a friend in a gun shop that would get me 240 gr JSP in 44 mag. I won a State match in NC shooting them . They have always been good.
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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 08:59:08 AM »
yeah i want to get everything to start reloading but will it be justified( cost per round) to reload compared to this ammo?
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 09:20:19 AM »
That depends on how much you shoot. Also if you want bullets that offer different preformance .
Many of us enjoy the reloading as much as shooting others do not .
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 09:34:50 AM »
Handloading your own ammo is a hobby into itself! At first it seems overwhelming when you consider the pieces of equipment and knowledge needed to feel confident in shooting those cartridges. The first step is the big step, buy the books, the internet is a great refrence, but reloading how to's and manuals are the "Bibles" of handloaders. They are great to look through again and again. Know what you're doing before you do it and in the long run you'll see a value to reloading that price per round, isn't even a factor anymore.
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 02:09:20 PM »
i look forward to starting! i have a speer manual and a hornady manual that an engineer lended me at work....been reading in my spare time:) but until then i think im gonna use these american eagle rounds instead of the real pricey stuff. looking at the 140gr. hornady leverevolutions vel. compared to the 158gr. a.e. vel....i thinks its only 40fps difference
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 02:33:28 PM »
If you know your firearm, that ammo will do fine past 50 yds as well. I cast and reload on the cheap, lee 158gr swc out of wheel weights quenched. Been busy but plan to work up a load with 2400 for 100 yd hunting from a long barreled pistol, and you can soften the nose on your cast bullets with a butane torch, giving you a SP projectile. I'm at the point where all I shoot is 22, 38/357, 44 and 45 acp because you can cast/load for all of them inexpensively, and get better than factory performance (IMO) with some patience. Highly recommend it!  ;D
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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 03:02:25 PM »
so....at what point do you worry with bullets being too soft and causing leading? just curious and a vague question i'm sure.
 
thanks guys for the help and patience:)
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 01:13:19 AM »
when you reach a velosity that could cause leading , use a lead/alloy mix that could cause leading or have a bbl that could cause leading. All the above and more can in concert cause leading so you must learn your gun and componets.
 
As for less expensive ammo, when machines are sitting still ammo makers make no money. They load sometimes the same ammo as their top line stuff , sometimes with an enomical bullet or powder and put it in a less decorated box and sell it for less. I have seen Federal Hydrashock ammo with factory seconds printed on the box and sold for about 1/2 the price of reg ones.
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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 01:43:57 AM »
bmb:  most of the commercially made bullets for 38/357 are cast hard enough to stand up to nominal magnum velocities without leading the barrel.  Some folk who reload prefer a gas-checked bullet.  Your best bet is to slug your bore (use a really soft bullet and send it down the tube with just enough powder to get it out the end of the barrel and then mic the slug) and use cast bullets .001 larger than your bore.  Most Rugers I know of use a .358 slug and most commercially cast bullets will work just fine.  I would not recommend softening the nose on a cast slug - using cast I want that bullet to hold together and not deform which may cause it to veer off course and not drive straight on through.
 
I feel, personally, that the leverrevolutions just may not be worth it and I do not prefer lightweight bullets moving at high speeds from revolvers for hunting.  I prefer the heavier cast semi-wadcutter or LBT designs at slower speeds for greater penetration. 
 
You need not go crazy purchasing tons of reloading equipment.  You can purchase a set of dies and a Lyman hand tool, saving yourself some serious $, and work on a few at a time rather than trying to cook up a couple of hundred all at once.  And you will also have to determine which bullets and powder combinations shoot best in your revolver.  This is where it becomes fun and once you have found a load that you like and one that shoots accurately you will get bored shooting boolets through the same hole alla time - (and all this from the master of the one shot group........).
 
As for the corbon 180s - you will find you can purchase slugs like that from any number of sources and use common cannister powders to obtain the velocities corbon claims - which by the way aren't anything hotter than what any of my load manual prescribe.  My personal favorite for the 38 and 357 is a 200 gn semi-wadcutter from either Colorado Cast Bullets or Mt. Baldy Bullets over a factory charge of WW296 for the magnums or WW231 for 38 spl snubnosed revolvers, and I guarantee ya that the corbon loads won't or can't do that for you.  HTH and good luck.
 
 
 

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Re: cheap...but accurate!
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 02:47:19 AM »
awesome! thanks for all the help! now you got me searching cast bullet sites:)
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 02:48:33 AM »
awesome! thanks for all the help! now you got me searching cast bullet sites:)

Lead head has always worked for me.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 06:05:19 AM »
Also look into the power pro 400 mp powder when you get going.  Alliants data puts out some pretty impressive numbers for it.