Texas student refuses to say mexican pledge of allegience and salute mex flag.

[OldSchoolRanger]

Pssssst... I learned something new... I didnt know there was a 'Mexican Pledge of Allegiance'...

Now why wouldn't Mexico have a pledge of allegiance?  The Mexican government wants their people to have allegiance to their nation.  So why would we as US citizens want our people to pledge allegiance to a foreign power (Mexico)?
 
 

Well, Okay this is a Spanish class she was in...not unusual in language classes to delve into the 'culture' of the respective country who's language you are studying. 
 
 BUT This is obviously a back door to introducing Sharia Law to the USA... ..
 
 In retrospect, the students should be reciting the American Pledge of Allegiance....in Spanish...   Now, that should make everybody happy..
 
 ..TM7
 

Nope your wrong, Mexicans don't actually speak Spanish, they claim to speak Mexican.
 Culture is about the food, the people, the arts, the architecture, not about pledging allegiance to another country.

 Obviously it could be, would be.    

 Now why would we want to recite the American Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish?
 
 

Schools are doing all kinds of stuff like this. When my kids were in school all were ask to sign a paper stating they would not touch a gun for any reason. One refused and that was that. next one refused and went to office. Was told her parents were being called , she aid great can't wait for dad to get here. She was then sent back to class with out signing and I was not called. Third one was given the paper and he handed it back, teacher just walked away.
 The young lady had every right to refuse .
 

SHOOTALL - LOL! You raised your kids right! Congrats!
 
 

Damn right she made the correct choice.  And, for those that think this is "ok" as some sort of cultural thing, remember this was a Spanish class, not a mexican class.     
 

Casull - I agree, the spanish cultural excuse is out.

[OldSchoolRanger]

Anyone catch the Mexican salute?

"Brinsdon said she stood her ground by staying seated when first-year Spanish 3 teacher Reyna Santos assigned her class to stand and recite Mexico's pledge of allegiance.
 
 Students stood with right arms straight out and palms down, which is how the school district says Mexicans say their pledge."

Remind you of a similar salute, in the not too distant past (1930's thru 40's)? I know it's not identical.

What was said in the Mexican pledge:

The Juramento a la Bandera ¡Bandera de México! Legado de nuestros héroes, símbolo de la unidad de nuestros padres y nuestros hermanos. Te prometemos ser siempre fieles a los principios de libertad y de justicia que hacen de nuestra patria la nación independiente, humana y generosa a la que entregamos nuestra existencia.

Translation: The Oath to the Flag Flag of Mexico! Legacy of our heroes, symbol of the unity of our parents and our brothers. We promise to always be loyal to the principles of liberty and justice that make our homeland the independent nation, humane and generous to the which one we give our existence.

The Toque de Bandera Se levanta en el mástil mi bandera como un sol entre céfiros y trinos muy adentro en el templo de mi veneración, oigo y siento contento latir mi corazón Es mi bandera, la enseña nacional, son estas notas su cántico marcial. Desde niños sabremos venerarla Y también por su amor, ¡vivir! Almo y sacro pendón que en nuestro anhelo como rayo de luz se eleva al cielo inundando a través de su lienzo tricolor inmortal nuestro ser de fervor y patrio ardor. Es mi bandera, la enseña nacional, son estas notas su cántico marcial. Desde niños sabremos venerarla Y también por su amor, ¡morir!

Translation: The Salute to the Flag My flag rises in the mast like a sun between winds and warbles very inside in the temple of my veneration, I hear and feel happily my heart beating It's my flag, the national standard, These notes are its martial canticle. From childhood we'll know how to venerate it and also for its love, to live! Venerable and sacred banner of our yearning like a ray of light rises to the sky flooding through its three-colored canvas our immortal being of fervour and homeland ardour. It's my flag, the national standard, these notes are its martial canticle. Since children we'll know how to venerate it and also for its love, to die!

Still think it rates as a cultural thing?

[yellowtail3]

Pssssst... I learned something new... I didnt know there was a 'Mexican Pledge of Allegiance'...

Now why wouldn't Mexico have a pledge of allegiance? 

I did not write that they wouldn't have a pledge of allegiance; just that I was unaware of one (still am). I've spend a fair amount of time around a LOT of people from Mexico; never heard it (or of it).

Nope your wrong, Mexicans don't actually speak Spanish, they claim to speak Mexican.

I didn't know that, either. I thought most people in Méjico spoke Spanish; after all, their national language is Spanish. Incidentally, ours isn't English. So far as speaking Mexican goes... there's a bunch in indigeonous languages, there's probably even a few Nahuatl speakers somewhere near what's left of Tenochtitlan
 

Now why would we want to recite the American Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish?

You might not want to, but others might. It sounds nice, and I can. We don't have a national laguange in this country, after all (unlike Mexico).

[gypsyman]

Sorry TM, but the American pledge of allegience was meant to be said in English. When immigrants came over to this country by the drove's 100+ years ago, they had to learn to say in in English. They still are. English should be officially made to be our country's language. At least that way, when Jose is out in your front lawn, you'll be able to know if he's asking if you want the grass cut at 2'' high, or calling your sister a dirty name!! gypsyman

[yellowtail3]

For the record, I'm not saying any pledges in English today.

[powderman]

Sorry TM, but the American pledge of allegience was meant to be said in English. When immigrants came over to this country by the drove's 100+ years ago, they had to learn to say in in English. They still are. English should be officially made to be our country's language. At least that way, when Jose is out in your front lawn, you'll be able to know if he's asking if you want the grass cut at 2'' high, or calling your sister a dirty name!! gypsyman

 
GYPSYMAN. Another good post Sir. Real  Americans know that. POWDERMAN. 

[OldSchoolRanger]

"I've spend a fair amount of time around a LOT of people from Mexico; never heard it (or of it)."

Maybe they didn't want to tell you about it, or you didn't ask the correct questions. 

Nope your wrong, Mexicans don't actually speak Spanish, they claim to speak Mexican.

"I didn't know that, either. I thought most people in Méjico spoke Spanish; after all, their national language is Spanish. Incidentally, ours isn't English. So far as speaking Mexican goes... there's a bunch in indigeonous languages, there's probably even a few Nahuatl speakers somewhere near what's left of Tenochtitlan"

YT - Next time you get a chance to stop in Mexico, drop by one of their bookstores, and ask for a "Spanish into English/English into Spanish" book.  You will be amazed to find that they sell "Mexican into English/English into Mexican" books instead.  Now why would that be?  Unless they didn't feel they spoke Spanish, which was the language of their conquerors.    Or speak to the "common" man.  The reason is because a lot of the Nahuatl/indigenous words are incorporated into their language.  Mexican is spoken by 90% of the population.  The Spanish language is spoken by 10% of the population, primarily their political elite (as in white Mexicans, descendents of the Conquistadors, or European immigrants).
 

Now why would we want to recite the American Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish?

"You might not want to, but others might. It sounds nice, and I can. We don't have a national laguange in this country, after all (unlike Mexico)."

I wonder why you would recite something written in English in a different language just because it sounds nice.  Usually something is lost in translation.

[m-g Willy]

I just seen the video,
And it is shameful!
I've lost a lot of respect that I had for Texas after seeing this girl.
Out of the whole class .....only  - 1 -  American with enough backbone to refuse to do such a disgusting thing ??
The parents of the kids that said the mex. pledge should be hanging their heads in shame!
 

[OldSchoolRanger]

OSR...I was speaking tongue in cheek....I think the whole issue is pretty much 'much to do about nothing'...just not too big a deal.
But if you think the Pledege of Allegiance to the US of A is only meant to be spoken in English that rules out a whole bunch of people who might like to say The Pledge in their native language and thus be more meaningful to them to boot.
 
And yes,,, culture studies in language classes often delve into governmnet a little bit. Meanwhile, I see the Mexican Pledge has similarities to our own....thanx for posting,,,,Or perhaps teacher Santos was pointing out the similarites....don't know. However, I do know if the USA continues to exist, it is very possible that in the near future The Pledge may indeed be spoken in Spanish of one dialect or another.
 
..TM7

TM - I have to disagree with you, this issue isn't "much ado about nothing".  It is trying to get our youth to feel that it is okay to swear allegiance and fealty to a foreign government.

Mexico has had dreams of dominance over the Americas for years.  So has Argentina, just do a little research, and this is very evident.  Another similarity, Mexico's official name is the United States of Mexico, and they get annoyed when you refer to the U.S.A. as the United States. 

[powderman]

I wonder why you would recite something written in English in a different language just because it sounds nice. 

 
OSR. I think thats pretty plain.
M-GWILLY. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[OldSchoolRanger]

 Well, If you believe that..than this school faux paux is rather trivial.  You best get George W Bush Jr. on the blower and take up your concerns with him in reference to the infamous Three Amigoes Meeting and other real treason..
 
..TM7

Why would I want to get on the horn with Pres. G.W. Bush?  You do mean I should get Barry on the phone don't  you? 

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/090810/three-amigos-summit-highlights-economic-division-north-america

[Casull]

Why would I want to get on the horn with Pres. G.W. Bush?  You do mean I should get Barry on the phone don't  you?

 
 
 
 
Now you've done it, OSR.  Get ready for about 98 lines of gibberish.     

[OldSchoolRanger]

Why would I want to get on the horn with Pres. G.W. Bush?  You do mean I should get Barry on the phone don't  you?

 
 
Now you've done it, OSR.  Get ready for about 98 lines of gibberish.     

Casull - I'm use to it, I have numerous juvenile nephews and nieces, and 2 great nephews.  I'm the official interpreter in chief.   

[m-g Willy]

[..TM7
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Well yeah,,,,contact BHO, too..instead of taking out your ire on a lowly Spanish teacher, even though she might be union scum..
..TM7

 
UNION SCUM?
So you think this spanish teacher rates as "scum"?
Seeing  as this (as you put it) "SCUM" -IS- the TEACHER  you think she might have something to do with what goes on in -- HER CLASSROOM -- ?
Whose idea was it for the students to say the mex pledge in the first plave?
My bet would be your scum of a teacher.
btw-I don't ever remember agree with you before ,,but it looks like this is a first.
Because I do agree with you about this teacher being "scum",,,
Good call on your part
 

[OldSchoolRanger]

 
Ahhh yeah....whatever...!...  
 
..TM7

Now should I also revert to childish responses like "Talk to the hand"? 

[lgm270]

In California white children are punished for displaying the US flag if Mexicans complain.  We live in an occupied country.  Our government is on the side of the third world invaders who are destroying the quality of life everywhere they go.

[powderman]

In California white children are punished for displaying the US flag if Mexicans complain.  We live in an occupied country.  Our government is on the side of the third world invaders who are destroying the quality of life everywhere they go.

 
YEP. POWDERMAN.