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Offline jamaldog87

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non-native bird baiting
« on: December 08, 2011, 08:44:49 AM »
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as you can see there is a large open field and some deep woods near my new home here in tarpon springs ,FL. I have seen  and heard 100s of parrots, sparrow, pigeons,starling, and other birds in the area but they seem to stay right here near the new aptments i moved to and in the thick woods.  I wanted to hunt some of them in a wood's area 1/2 mile from were i live  with my slingshot/ airguns and I was thinking of useing dry cat food,dog food and some corn bird food to bait them out into the field for hunting and so maybe they will move to the filed area(the parrots are very noise 5am wake up call). Is this a good bait and if not what is?
 
This is for non-native pest animals and so it's lawful(just like baiting hogs)
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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 12:28:27 PM »
Back in the stone age when I was a boy I used cornbread to bait the sparrows and starlings within range of my bb gun. Small grains should work once they find them stuff like wheat and corn. Dunno about cat food.


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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 04:46:13 AM »
That may draw the cats which will become bait for the pythons that are starting to vacation in Fla. Sounds like you may be busy and may need a bigger airgun ;D
 
Try a big bag of cheap bird seed ;) 
 
What do people feed their Parrots?

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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 04:58:40 AM »
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What do people feed their Parrots?



Crackers? Polly wanna cracker.  ;D


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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 07:24:33 AM »
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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 08:28:31 AM »
well i used to have pet rats(their were my little baby girls :'( ) but rats,Parrots and guinea pig food is just about the same. I used to feed my girls a mix of the 3 and it like steroids for rats. My girls double in size in just a week. I have used cat/dog food to bait an area when fishing and it has work well.
 
I guess i try bird and cat food becuase it's the cheapest.
 
FYI there is no "real" python probelm in FL. all the big ones are killed by our winters here and most that make it are 8 feet or less and even then many get killed by other things(last winter some many died that they were falling from trees like apples).  I remeber a few years ago they said we had a very bad snakehead, walking catfish and some other stuff. I have never seen or heard of anyone catching a snakehead in our state. The news makes things that are not storys into news.
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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 01:03:47 AM »
I wouldn't get too slap happy before checking with FWC.   Like most states they do have regulations in place for non game birds.   And like anything GOV they are mostly double talk... Some tidbits I found on FWC's website:
 
No one shall take, poison, store, buy, sell, possess or wantonly or willfully waste wildlife, unless specifically permitted or authorized to do so.
 
Notice how that doesn't specify native or introduced or both.
 
It is prohibited to intentionally place food or garbage, allowing the placement of food or garbage, or offering food or garbage in such a manner that it attracts black bears, foxes or raccoons and in a manner that is likely to create or creates a public nuisance.
 
Birds: State and federal laws protect native species of birds. Native birds may not be taken or harassed, except as described in these rules.
Sparrows, rock doves (pigeons) and starlings are not native.
 
Migratory nongame birds that cause damage to trees, crops, livestock or wildlife, or that are concentrated in such numbers that they are nuisance, may be taken with permits issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service by calling 404-679-7070. Blackbirds, grackles, cowbirds and crows can be taken without permits when they are causing damage.
 
None of the species you mentioned are migratory as per se... they are all established there as introduced residents.
 
Unprotected birds: State and federal wildlife laws do not protect non-native birds that have become established in Florida by accidental releases or unauthorized stockings.
Unprotected species include English sparrows, European starlings, rock doves (pigeons) and Muscovy ducks. If you are uncertain whether a bird is native to Florida, contact an FWC regional office.
 
Being introduced, parrots are not protected in FL, but as an ex parrot breeder and someone who has had them as pets almost all his life.... nada nada please.   My buddy Bandit and I would appreciate it.    ;)    Instead find out if you can get a permit to legally trap them... could add up to some big dollars in the pet market.
 
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Re: non-native bird baiting
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 10:28:14 AM »
you can't moved any liveing non-native from one area(one lake i was fishing there was a sign from fish and wild life saying if you catch a non-natvie fish it's unlawful to realse it. the sign said in red "all non-native fish are to be killed if landed" ). I email them some years ago about non-naitves and they said the wantonly or willfully waste wildlife is only for game and non-game animals.   you can't trap and sale  non-natives(if you could everyone would be selling pythons and all the tropical fish there are here in FL).
 
I also email and asked Can a person hunt non-game, hog, furbearer,unprotected or non-native aniamsl with a airgun or slingshots and they said Yes you may. Really the FWC does not care if you kill non-natives (some area your force to kill non-natives) to them non-natives  are just like the black rat and you don't even need a  hunting license  to hunt non-natives(unless your on a wildlife management area i emailed and found out).
 
but yes there is a lot of double talk but one thing there very clear on is that they want you to kill any and all non-native fish you catch.
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