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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2011, 05:29:13 PM »

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2011, 12:36:45 AM »
Post Apocalyptic World (PAW), if you google Jerry d. Young and PAW fiction youll hit a website where folks post short stories from a PAW view ... like when the river floods your city and how to flee. Not alot of zombies, which I appreciate, just probable scenarios thought through in a story. You'll find alot of bikes used.
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2011, 04:49:43 AM »
Thanks Chaps. Don't know why I couldn't put that together ( ??? ) Lately I've been reading that genre and will have to  search the sections you've referanced. 
 
I've given thought to bicycles before and still. They should allow an even out of shape person to go further per day than just on foot. I would though, be leary about using a bicycle until things settled down if a fertilizer hit the ventilator world came. Like creeks and trails, roads are funnel/ambush kill zones and best stayed away from if an alternate way is presented. A loaded with supplies bicycle would be a temptation for a few.

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2011, 06:26:28 AM »
  Great thread.
 
  First thing I'd like to say is that a bike (pedal or powered) is one of those great 'preps' because it bears the hallmark of a great 'disaster preparedness' item.  That being It's a good idea irregardless of wether or not the "shtf".  If the fan is soiled, you have somethign you can use.  If the fan is clean, you have something you can use.  "Preps" that are only good if the world ends but are useless untill then are just a waste of resources.  A bike you can have fun with right now.
 
  OK, down to specifics.  A pedal bike is a great thing.  My son is just getting his riding legs, so I'll be getting a bicycle for next year so we can ride around together.  I'm definitely going for the foam 'innertubes' that never go flat.  In a disaster, a bicycle and some rope can become a cargo carrier.  Ride to where you need to get something, strap it on and walk the load.  Is that thief bait?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  Kind of depends what the situation is.  If it's too risky to travel then that's that, but a disaster may or may not look like that.  Maybe the shtf in a small way, and you are out there trying to wipe the poop off the fan blades.  Why not have a bicycle?  Another point, riding a bike is as good a way to get a little exercise as anything.  Back to the 'good if it does or doesn't hit the fan' thing.  It's not a bad idea to get a little physical activity in now, is it?
 
 I like the Whizzer type motorized bicycle thing that was posted.  It's just cool.   Again, might be a neat thing to have for picking up milk and bread during the good times.  Now in a pinch, those simple little one lung engines are way easier to convert to improvised fuel than a modern computerised car, and you can go further on whatever you are 'stilling with a light weight vehicle.  (for those who want to play with alternative fuels, one of those is a perfect test platform)  Again, if travel isn't safe, it isn't safe; but if you need to go 20 miles and get help before a loved one expires then a motorized bicycle would be a blessing.  Don Heath, how do you think the locals in your area would welcome something like that?  I'll bet they'd love it.
 
  Moving up to the motorcycle.  Why not?  If you want a vehicle that can go fast, or go where few 4 wheelers can, then a motorcycle is it.  In a jam, it could be the difference between getting to safety or just not getting to safety.  In the mean time, a nice motorcycle ride is just a wonderful thing.  It's like a vacation that you don't have to go far for.   Just start it up, and go.
 
  All the options offered so far in this thread have aplication in good times or bad.  Sure, you can think of a scenario where any of them may not be ideal.  You can also see where they may be perfect.  Since there is no knowing what tomorow brings, just get whichever one (or combination) you see as being good today.  Enjoy it now.  Ride a bicycle for a little fitness.  Take a Kowi on the trails.  Get a motorbike or moped to buzz around cheap.  No bad ideas here.
 
  An afterthought on the motor bike.  The first vehicle made by Honda was an improvised motorbike.  Mr Honda (can't remember his 1st name) owned a factory that made piston rings before and during WWII.  His factory was leveled during the bombing toward the end of the war.  When the war ended, Japan's roads weren't looking good and gasoline was a rare commodity.  He bought a bunch of small motors that had been meant for running generators and designed mounts to put them on existing bicycles.  He converted them to run on turpentine (which they produced in Japan, unlike petroleum) and a motorcycle dynasty was born.  I don't know if there are any surviving examples of Honda's original post apocolypse vehicle (it really was post apocolpse for a while there, untill the American rebuilding effort got under way).  If any are in a museum somewhere, I'd love to look at one.

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2011, 06:36:39 AM »
If yu are not in shape to ride a bicycle and you are in hill country, everything is up hill. You will coast down hill before you can catch your breath from pushing the bicycle up the hill. Flat country is reasonable but most if the world has some hills. ear
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2011, 08:26:07 AM »
If yu are not in shape to ride a bicycle and you are in hill country, everything is up hill. You will coast down hill before you can catch your breath from pushing the bicycle up the hill. Flat country is reasonable but most if the world has some hills. ear
with that mentality...why even try? 

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2011, 05:19:55 AM »
  Sounds like a good reason to get a bicycle right now.  To get in shape.
 
  Getting and staying in shape isn't just an apocolyptic prep for some imaginary doomsday.  Being fit helps you fight sickness (never mind fighting a big tough guy, think about fighting microscopic enemies), heal from injury, prevent small bumps from being debilitating injury.  Being fit is just a better, happier way to be.  Letting yourself stay unfit and giving up "I'm old and fat, why bother" is a mindset that invites the S to hit your fan in the form of a heart attack or some other hassle you don't need or want.  "SHTF" doesn't nessisarily mean the whole world or even the region is wrecked.  I contend that if you are debilitated, the S has hit it for you.  Prevent that as best you can, friends.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2011, 02:00:44 PM »
I've watched enough Mad Max movies to know what works is a Kawasaki KZ 1000. In fact I owned a KZ900.


 It will kick start with a dead battery. It will outrun the vast majority of trucks cars and zombies you are likely to encounter. Would be totally impervious to EMP. As I recall the chicks totally dig a guy on a big bike. Whats not to like?
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2012, 05:49:43 PM »
I would think one of those Ukrainian Cossacks (copy of the old DWM BMW) with the power driven sidecar wheel would be the ultimate but only if you could afford it in the first place.  :o

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Tony, Here's something interesting.....brand spankin' new, BMW copies...from Russia.
 
http://ural.com/

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2012, 12:43:56 AM »
 Those Urals are neat. I looked at one a few months back at a dealer nearby. Not near as many $300 plastic parts to be found on them like other new bikes have.  :)
 
 A friend in China tells me there's a motorcycle club near him that favors the Chinese version.
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2012, 01:55:47 PM »
Those Urals are neat. I looked at one a few months back at a dealer nearby. Not near as many $300 plastic parts to be found on them like other new bikes have.  :)
 
 A friend in China tells me there's a motorcycle club near him that favors the Chinese version.

  I'll bet the Chinese motorcycle clubs are nothing like some of the MCs we have here
 
  I spent some time in Florida not too long after my last post in this thread and saw some things that reminded me of this discussion.  Florida is a Mecca for homeless people.  Without getting into discussing the different reasons those people are in that situation; it could be said that they are people for whom the "S" has hit the fan.  Lots of them have a bicycle.  I saw countless people with bikes who weren't out for a pleasure pedal (I wasn't in a tourist attraction).  The bicycles were fitted out in various ways.  Lots of boxes and baskets etc to carry what gear they may have or, in may cases, cargo space for the dumpster pickings.   Even saw one with one of those bolt on motors, but that guy didn't look homeless.  I observed one guy over a mile or so of distance along a main drag during a couple of hours one day.  I was on a side street parallel to the main drag immediately behind the strips of stores.  He was peddling along from place to place opening dumpsters and salvaging stuff.  He had a plywood box on his bike. 
 
  The homeless are living an existance with a real analogy to the post disaster scenarios we are talking about.  They shelter down where they can.  They are targeted by predators at a rate the 'normal' population never sees because they are on the streets in a world that's almost an alternate reality to most folks.  They need mobility to scavange and to take advantage of different resources that are too far between to practicaly walk to.  A vehicle without gas is within their grasp.  A vehicle without noise is something they can use to discreetly get to their bed down location.  A bicycle can't run you out of an ambush, but nothing is perfect.  Any mode of transport will leave you open to some threat somewhere.  That's life in the food chain.
 
  The WWII Jeep is a good example of mobility as armor.  The vehicle had no armor.  It protected the people in it by moving them.  There was some resistance to the Jeep within the Army at first because it didn't protect the occupants.  The objections dried up as soon as the idea went from an idea on the drawing board to a reality.  The brass who didn't like the idea of an un armored scout car saw it and realized "we can use this thing."
 
  A bicycle is small, attainable and sustainable without gas.  If you have a bike and a few chains, tires and tubes stashed away you could use it for short range, low profile tooling around for years.

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2012, 01:18:14 AM »
 I love bicycles. One of my earliest memories is when I learned to ride without training wheels and the cheer Dad let out when I finally got it. Never been without a bike since that day and I still ride about three days a week.
 
 Growing up, the Schwinn Stingray was our car. No boy I hung with didn't have one. Hard to believe our parents would let us ride 10+ miles away from home on them - in city traffic - when we were in 3rd grade. I rarely see a child riding a bike without his Parents anymore.
 
 I still have the 1982 (last year of US production) Schwinn Cruiser I rode in college. It may be dug out of the back of the garage, restored and updated soon. I recently bought one of these front wheel electric hub kits. I'm thinking it might go good on the ol' cruiser...
 
http://www.ampedbikes.com/kits.html
 
 Electric has a few survival scenario advantages over the little 2-stroke jobs:
 
1. Stealth
2. Reliability (few moving parts)
3. No fuel/oil required
4. Can be recharged via solar, or wind/water with a scrounged alternator
5. Car batteries (maybe a dime a dozen if there's no gas) can be used on a trike w/basket
 
 Aside from survival uses, the lower powered E-bikes have no licencing requirements. Even the higher powered ones are generally not looked at too closely by cops. Many bike trails allow E-bikes but not gas.
 
 
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2012, 01:25:08 AM »
Old honda xr200-about bulletproof,gas miser.