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A note to Ramrod, Qtip, et al...............................
« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2005, 08:17:41 AM »
Ramrod, I hope you don't carry the attitude conveyed in your recent post, into the field with you, when you hunt.  If so, then I would consider you to be one of the "average Bozo's" you distain.  Qtip is correct when he said that regardless of whether one uses a rifle or shotgun, a safe hunter is a safe hunter.  All of the basic skills, we take into the field, when we hunt, are put into play when we are in search of game regardless of the use of a bow, shotgun, muzzleloader, pistol, or rifle.  I would like to think you do the same.
The use of a rifle, regardless of the Governor sigining this bill, or not, in these counties, is already permitted.  What this bill does do is allow the use of rifles during the deer season.   If you stop and think for a minute, how many of us sportsmen use pistols, in rifle calibers, already.  How many shooting accidents have occurred?  This whole subject has gotten blown way out of proportion.  
Would you stop for a moment and take a look at us.  Hell, we don't need any ANTIs.  If the comments on this thread are any indication, we'll do just fine kicking ourselves in the a$$, and dividing our fraternity.  Let's stop it.  What do you say?

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« Reply #61 on: August 13, 2005, 10:38:05 AM »
Oh boy...More nonsense.
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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2005, 01:04:21 PM »
:D  Guys! After a quick check of everyone's location, and a look at the "Where Are The "NY'ers thread" it appears that the majority of posters in this debate, (all pro rifle, BTW), don't even live in the affected counties. Of those that do, they are almost all city and town dwellers. Sure looks like a case of the "outsiders" telling the "locals" how things should be done. Must be nice, there won't be any rifle bullets whizzing around your house.
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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2005, 03:44:59 PM »
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:D  Guys! After a quick check of everyone's location, and a look at the "Where Are The "NY'ers thread" it appears that the majority of posters in this debate, (all pro rifle, BTW), don't even live in the affected counties. Of those that do, they are almost all city and town dwellers. Sure looks like a case of the "outsiders" telling the "locals" how things should be done. Must be nice, there won't be any rifle bullets whizzing around your house.


Ramrod apparently you have never been up in the city of Buffalo. Your worried about a stray bullet for three week of the year. The city dwellers are ducking them 24/7 here :lol:

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« Reply #64 on: August 17, 2005, 07:10:11 AM »
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:D  Guys! After a quick check of everyone's location, and a look at the "Where Are The "NY'ers thread" it appears that the majority of posters in this debate, (all pro rifle, BTW), don't even live in the affected counties. Of those that do, they are almost all city and town dwellers. Sure looks like a case of the "outsiders" telling the "locals" how things should be done. Must be nice, there won't be any rifle bullets whizzing around your house.


I'm a local in Tioga County and not a city dweller. I can walk out my back door and be in the woods. I would like to see the bill passed.

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« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2005, 12:59:41 PM »
I live in Oswego County, which is half rifle zone already.  If and when this gets passed, the rest of the county will be rifle zone, including where I live.  I am looking forward to this bill getting signed, as I also hunt in lower Herkimer Co. which is also part of the expansion area.
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« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2005, 11:06:41 AM »
To quote Mr  raging480

I live in Oswego County, which is half rifle zone already. If and when this gets passed, the rest of the county will be rifle zone, including where I live. I am looking forward to this bill getting signed


I didnt know Oswego was a switch hitter county, Mr raging480 has apparantly had it both ways and prefers rifle, I think he has made a good lifestyle choice.

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« Reply #67 on: August 19, 2005, 11:54:55 AM »
According to the SCOPE NY Website, this bill was delivered to the Governor's Desk on 8/18/05.  Hopefully he sees fit to sign it right away as the hunting season is approaching rapidly.

Keep your fingers crossed if you are in an area that will be effected.

Please send an e-mail or letter to Governor Pataki's office...The pertinent info can be found here:

http://www.state.ny.us/governor/
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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2005, 05:36:18 AM »
Yes, NY state is divided into a "southern zone" and a "northern zone," which can be pretty complicated to describe the different opening days.  I live about 200 yards west of the zone border, which means right now, I can rifle hunt if I go east, which has an earlier opening day (mid to late October) or I can hunt with shotgun or pistol in the sz, which opens in late November.  Since I have a bow, a muzzleloader, and centerfire weapons, I can pretty much hunt from about Sept. 27 to Dec. 20th, without having to travel far at all.  Its pretty neat being able to enjoy several "opening day hunts" every year!  Check out the DEC website if you are confused.
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« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2005, 08:45:05 AM »
Wow...Raging...You have the best of both worlds...
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« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2005, 08:48:20 AM »
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[quote="RamrodRamrod apparently you have never been up in the city of Buffalo. Your worried about a stray bullet for three week of the year. The city dwellers are ducking them 24/7 here :lol:


This is very very true...My wife is an RN at ECMC and every time there is a non fatal shooting reported on the news it seems that they always go to ECMC...She's says "Well, I'll see him in the morning."
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It seems to be a done deal.................
« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »
Thc. latest "Alert" from the New York Rifle and Pistol Assoc, stated that the Gov. has 10 days to sign, or veto this bill.   If he does nothing, on the 11th day this bill becomes law, and effective immediately, unless the wording delays its' implementation to a later date!

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« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2005, 04:21:54 PM »
htrjv, the 10 day rule only applies when the Senate and the Assembly are in session. I believe they are in Summer Recess right now.
This is from the Senate website...
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If a bill is sent to the Governor when the Legislature is out of session, the rules are a bit different. At such times, the Governor has 30 days in which to make a decision, and failure to act ("pocket veto") has the same effect as a veto.

The full text of how a bill becomes law is here....
http://www.senate.state.ny.us/sws/aboutsenate/how_idea_becomes_law.html
So, if the Gov does nothing, the bill dies. Then it has to be re-introduced next year. Pataki is a smart politician, so I'll put my money on the pocket veto. He doesn't have to commit either way.
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Re: Don't count your chickens...
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2005, 07:27:08 AM »
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htrjv, the 10 day rule only applies when the Senate and the Assembly are in session. I believe they are in Summer Recess right now.
This is from the Senate website...
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If a bill is sent to the Governor when the Legislature is out of session, the rules are a bit different. At such times, the Governor has 30 days in which to make a decision, and failure to act ("pocket veto") has the same effect as a veto.

The full text of how a bill becomes law is here....
http://www.senate.state.ny.us/sws/aboutsenate/how_idea_becomes_law.html
So, if the Gov does nothing, the bill dies. Then it has to be re-introduced next year. Pataki is a smart politician, so I'll put my money on the pocket veto. He doesn't have to commit either way.



I'd like to see the bill passed but if it don't Oh Well!. I'll probrabbly hunt with my muzzleloader either way.

I can see you now counting the days and marking them off on your calendar Hoping the time limit expires and the bill gets vetoed.

I already have you figured for the biggest but if the bill gets vetoed you will also the happiest A$$hole in NY.

If it does pass you can get out your full camo and your short barreled AR-15 and go for a walk. Rambo oops I mean Ramrod.

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« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2005, 01:38:48 PM »
Thanks for your input, and educating us about the process.  Joe.

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« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2005, 01:54:09 PM »
Way to go str8shooter48 ! As usuall, you have nothing intellegent to say, so you come out with another personel attack.
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« Reply #76 on: August 21, 2005, 03:17:37 PM »
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If things go as usual for me, I will have some venison before the southern zone opener. So if this thing passes, come opening day I think I will just parade along the road in full camo with my shorty AR-15 on my back. It will be a legal hunting outfit. I hope I can scare enough people into writing their state representatives to repeal this stupid mistake.


Ramrod your probrably right.  I don't know you or you know me. I shouldn't be personally attacking you. Unfortunately everytime I see a thread with your name on it this STUPID!!!!reply above just pops into my head and makes my blood boil. Its not the most intelligent reply I ever read, and if it goes to a poll of subscribers on the thread I'm sure I'm not alone in the opinion I formed.

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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2005, 03:47:32 PM »
Easy guys! :D
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« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2005, 08:01:35 PM »
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We can keep this discussion going as long as you want but please refrain from personal attacks...We all have our opinions and some of us like to pontificate but don't make it personal.  It's not worth getting all worked up over.  The ability to think independently and have your own opinion is one of the things that makes this country great.

PS - If you have something that you think would not be appropriate for the forum please take it to the PM's...

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I posted the above message on 7/18/05 in this same thread...Please keep the personal stuff out of your posts.  I don't want to pull the moderator switch here but I may have to if we can't play nice.  

I don't dig the baiting thing either...Not cool.
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« Reply #79 on: August 21, 2005, 09:02:06 PM »
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We can keep this discussion going as long as you want but please refrain from personal attacks...We all have our opinions and some of us like to pontificate but don't make it personal.  It's not worth getting all worked up over.  The ability to think independently and have your own opinion is one of the things that makes this country great.

PS - If you have something that you think would not be appropriate for the forum please take it to the PM's...

D' :oh:


I posted the above message on 7/18/05 in this same thread...Please keep the personal stuff out of your posts.  I don't want to pull the moderator switch here but I may have to if we can't play nice.  

I don't dig the baiting thing either...Not cool.



Your right, Enough said on my part.

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« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2005, 07:03:51 AM »
Here's another article on the process involved in this rifle hunting bill:

http://www.pressconnects.com/tuesday/sports/stories/sp082305s185696.shtml
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« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2005, 09:58:07 AM »
I have been considering a post where I really give it to our dear goveneror, and his policies,  spending big taxpayer money to buy thousands and thousands of of acres of state land and then banning the use of atv's on it, ect,   and I cant promise it wont seem like a personal attack.

Would anybody find that objectionable?