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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2012, 12:01:28 AM »
IMHO the right way is the best way and that's ALL in the prep...
Start with sand strip what ever you like to remove the stain. Then wet (Damp cloth) and steel wool many times getting finer and finer with the wool. (This is called whiskering the wood) Continue at least 4-6 times. Then after a coat or too of finish, using wool remove the finish down to the wood and repeat,. (You are filling any lo spots in the wood) After about 4 -6 or so coats you will really begin to get a glass smooth finish. From there you can "matte" that or leave it gloss, what ever you like. Finishing this way will "pull" what ever grain or figure is in there to see and surely will be a very pleasant finish when your done.

But like all things worth it it will take extra work. The $$ value means nothing, if you like it and do this its "value" will be much improved.
 
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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2012, 12:08:46 AM »
Laurel Mountain Forge works great and will stain Birch as dark as you like.
 
http://www.laurelmountainforge.com/stain.htm
 
Use MinWax Satin Tung Oil Finish per the instructions to seal it once you're finished.
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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2012, 12:16:33 AM »
Laurel Mountain Forge works great and will stain Birch as dark as you like.
 
http://www.laurelmountainforge.com/stain.htm
 
Use MinWax Satin Tung Oil Finish per the instructions to seal it once you're finished.

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 I also like Tung oil as a finish!!!  I have used many different ones and prefer this one. Never tried minwax, but its probably easiest to attain. I have Formby's. For many many years I use Linseed then lin speed oils.
Also a "drying box" helps IMMENSELY!!!  Simply some 1x10 pine nailed together so the stock can be hung inside and closed up, keeps dust from settling on your finish.
 
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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2012, 04:30:38 AM »
I came up against this when confronted with a scratched up hardwood Model Savage 24 stock. If most of you will notice, on hardwood (non walnut) stocks from most manufacturers, if it gets scratched, the stock will be pretty white underneith. That's because the manufacturers use a combo  stain and finish to give non descript stocks some charactor.  But when you refinish , you'll remove all that color and you've got the problem of a piece of wood that just will not take stain very well at all. Birch and Maple, and some gum are offenders who just don't soak stain in.
I found a product at Michaels (arts and Crafts store) which is toning spray. It comes in a couple of different shades, walnut, dark walnut, and cherry. It was intended originally to spray on flowers or anything really where you wanted some wood toning. It is Lacquer, witht the stain there too. And, you can do a pretty credible job of covering a very white piece of Pallet wood with a uniform wood color, just like it came out of the factory. I found the stock looks best when completely covered without trying to show any grain. I tried to use it in a minimalist fashion, but didnt like the results.  Most Factory stain jobs do not show a lot of grain, and neither will yours. But after the lacquer is very dry, lightly buff the surface with 5-0 (00000) steel wool, and spray it down with a good satin fast drying polyurethane like MINWAX. I usually do that at least three times for addeed protection. The stocks will look good, and I have had many pleased individuals when they see an old 22 or shotgun renovated this way. 
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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2012, 04:54:37 AM »
I have used Kudzit to strip off old stain and finish to get to bare wood.  I then used Minwax dark walnut stain, then followed with a satin polyurathene for hardness protection.  If you want it shiny use the high gloss polyurathene.  Take the stock off the rifle, remove all metal and plastic, then use a wire hanger outsize somewhere to use the Kudzit to strip the old finish off.  It makes the old finish a gooey mess.  Put on rubber gloves to wipe off the old stuff.  Anything left, you will have to lightly sand or use a fine steel wool to clean out.  I used a knife point to clean out between the checkering since some stuff gets caught in there.  I did this with old SKS stocks.  Worked great, wood looks good, but doesn't have a lot of wood grain like real walnut. 

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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 07:32:54 AM »
Birch is tough because it isn't porous and the stain does not penetrate evenly especially when the wood had been finished before.  If you can get some solvent based stain you can usually spray it on in coats and even out the finish before you apply the top coat.  Oil based stains are difficult unless you have the time to apply a coat and let it thoroughly dry and apply additional coats until you acheive the deisired look.   One trick I learned is to wipe the stock down with a wet cloth after you have it sanded down.  This will raise the grain and allow the stain to penetrate more than if you put it directly on the sanded stock.  It's hard to get any discernable grain out of a birch stock.  It could be maple as well which is just as bad.  If you take your time you can probably get a nice looking stock with an even color.  Grain will depend on the piece of wood that you have to work with.   ;) 
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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2012, 07:16:08 PM »
bilmac im doing the same as you picked up an old 1945 marlin bolt action .i have it all sanded just waiting for new but plate from numrich. i needed another project i was getting bored.looks good so far.

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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2012, 04:24:07 AM »
I ended up just hitting it with several coats of Minwax varnish with walnut stain included. It ain't beautiful, but it's presentable.

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Re: Anybody know how to make Birch look decient.
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2012, 08:07:33 AM »
Every time this post comes up I look at the picture. I am very much taken aback at just how beautifully your stock came out!!!

I have been swapping stocks buying camo syn and selling laminated. One of my rim fires wears green stained pallet wood checkered, monte Carlo stocks.. Nothing specail really of so I thought until I hit them with a flash light... The light penetrated the stain and they look alot like yours!! Nicely tiger striped.  Tomorrow when I get home I am gonna pull it out and give it a good look over. I may have another winter project!!!!

I'll post pics if it's worth looking at.

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