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Offline Singleshotsam

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Should I???
« on: February 07, 2012, 02:43:21 AM »
I went to my first shooting match a couple weekends ago and placed 10th overall shooting my Remington 700 build in .308. 

While I was there I noticed all kinds of guys fawning over how much money they spent building their custom guns, and how great and accurate they grouped and what amazed me still was that I beat half of these guys with my budget build 700 on my first time out.  If you can shoot MOA the entire match you can place pretty high up every time.  This placed an idea in my head...
 
I'm thinking about ordering an NEF Survivor .308.  Installing the Choate ultra varmint skeleton stock set.  And develop some handloads for it.  Take it to the next Modified F class shoot, get laughed at and then beat about half the guys that have 4x's the money tied up in their rig. 
 
Am I crazy for wanting to do this?  I have also given thought to just buying the .243 Utra Varmint Fluted bug given the problems some of you guys have had w/ the .243 offering and the fact that the wind would probably kill it at the 800 yard mark I have my reservations.
 
I'm open to opinions fellas.  Have at it.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 03:44:21 AM »
I say go for it.  I love my .308 survivor.  It is way more accurate than I am.  Plus how much fun would it be to beat guys with thousands of dollars into there guns with yours that you put $300 into.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 04:16:04 AM »
Well give it a try, but what we've seen in the bpcr's shooting long range, you get to much verticle stringing with the lockup on the handi's. It doesn't show up much at a couple hundred yards, but when you start stretching out there it gets very noticable.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 04:39:41 AM »
Ranch,
 
I'm not really worried so much about the vertical stringing as long as it stays moa.  It's pretty easy to keep them into the 8" black circle if your able to shoot moa.  The 700 and 800 mark is where it starts to get tough.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 04:46:11 AM »
Actually 600 is where things start to fall apart, by the time you hit 800 then you've got the rotational drift to contend with, never mind wind and mirage. At that distance .001 difference in lockup will send you as much as 1 minute out.
MOA is easy to talk about, harder to achieve and maintain.
 Like I said earlier try it, you may discover why you don't see any/many of those handi's on the line nor in the winners circle, then again you may be onto something that has been overlooked in the last 20 years. You won't be out much cash, and you will have some fun along the way, so what's not to like?
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 04:48:00 AM »
I'd say give it a try, and fail or not, it would be a fun thing to do!
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 04:53:33 AM »
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MOA is easy to talk about, harder to achieve and maintain.

That is the exact truth.  That's why a lot of the hotshots at that match didn't fare well.  It's easy to shoot a .5" group at 100 yards.  That really falls apart the further out you get as you said.  I was able to hold MOA out to 700 at the match.  After that my ammo didn't have enough punch to hang.  I was using 155 a-max bullets but they were only pushed to 2500 fps.  I'm going to try the 175 sierra's in front of Varget for the next go around.  I should see a lot better preformance at the 800 line.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 04:55:15 AM »
I don't know what Modified F class is, but have been to a couple of shoots just to watch.  in talking to some competitors, they were glad to show their rifles and tell me the brand of barrel, action, stock etc.  but nobody said how much they spent.  I'm sure it's more than I want to spend.
once while shooting my rem 581 with aquila HVHP, I shot a .280 group
what I'm saying is, that those guys who are serious competitors with their custom guns are going to win.  I'm sure that there are some with a lot of money and no talent, but they don't last long in competition.
I for one, would not put a stock rifle up against them.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 05:06:23 AM »
I can tell you that a guy i know just dropped 3k on a new scope.  Not including mounts. 
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 05:10:04 AM »
Sam just have fun with it, what ever you decide to do. But keep in mind those guys that are winning are spending many dollars not only on equipment, but also in practice. To be consistant in the top finishers it takes alot of time , effort and money, to put yourself and your equipment in top condition.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 05:10:06 AM »
I have not noticed much verticle stringing with my H-R's, but then again I don't shoot out past 300-350 yards or so. I will say that most of my H-R's are more accurate then my abilities as a marksman. Proper fore-end work and NOT resting the fore-end on the bench but resting the rifle directly under the hinge pin works wonders.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 05:15:48 AM »
Jim , neither one of my handi's have ever been messed with in the 20 years I've owned them. The bull barrel .223 will hold it's own against a 700 varminter to 300, but after that won't even keep up, and that's using the same BlackHills match ammo. The 270 is much the same.  I don't rest them any different than I do any other rifle.
The handi's are great little rifles for what they are designed and marketed for, but may be out of their league when it gets to the serious games....
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 05:17:56 AM »
Quote from: Ranch13 on February 07, 2012, 05:10:04 AM
Sam just have fun with it, what ever you decide to do. But keep in mind those guys that are winning are spending many dollars not only on equipment, but also in practice. To be consistant in the top finishers it takes alot of time , effort and money, to put yourself and your equipment in top condition.

Yeah that's something I learned.  I was very happy to have finished my 1st match in the top 10 but there was a BIG gap between my measily 312/400 score and the winners 369/400.  I don't know that i'm really going to continue with the competition matches because it simply costs too much money for me to practice.  But ringing the steel targets on my personal gun range out to 650 is an absolute joy.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 05:19:05 AM »
Quote from: Singleshotsam on February 07, 2012, 05:06:23 AM
I can tell you that a guy i know just dropped 3k on a new scope.  Not including mounts.
I cannot imagine that.
I've seen a couple that I might go 1k, but that's all.
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 07:17:15 AM »
Oh I don't know Sam, you only need 5 more in the 10 ring, or 8 more in the 9 to get closer. It comes down to what you want to make of it. If you enjoy going and shooting something different than what you have at home, then take the necessary ammo and go once a month or whenever they shoot. Shoot against yourself and have fun, let the others shoot against the world and try to win....
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Re: Should I???
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 08:47:40 PM »
Sam: on a slightly different note, I was shooting trap in Northern Indiana competitively and my shotgun was a 45.00 Sears pump gun that I had bought on the used rack. used it for about 4 yrs. and got pretty good with it. was always in the top five or better. one night a doctor ( who was a braggart of the worst kind) came with a brand new Peratties (SP? Italian dbl bbl o/u) . He was bragging how much that it cost--More than 2 grand. Well, long story short,we set him up to shoot against me. It was a Cincinnati shoot. we went the full 24 birds and on the 25th , I busted one of his large pieces. He gave me a look that said he couldn't believe it. that's when I told him that my weapon only cost 45 dollars on the used rack. Now this weapon was dinged, dented, scratched and barely had any bluing on it. The good doctor had a tantrum and BROKE THE SHOTGUN AGAINST THE LIGHT POLE!!! We never saw him again on that club range.  It ain't what you got---It's how well you know and use what you got!!!! 4yrs. of shooting that old girl made me pretty competitive. Go for it if'n you wanna. good luck. God Bless to all.

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