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Offline bigMikeA

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Re: O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2012, 10:52:53 AM »
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The Religious leaders need to pull their heads out the their bible and start dealing with the social needs of today, and not in their make believe world they are living in.
Ya...sure.  Separation of church and state...except when the state needs money, then the state can step in to religion and get some.
It's amazing how left wingers can twist things both ways to suit their needs. Now the lefties want a religion to change according to the lefties social needs, which in this case, is buy birth control for anyone who wants it for free.
I would think a private insurance company will go to the high courts, and win this one hands down...but either way, they will charge the extra fees in everyones premiums because nothing is ever free.
 
The above statement in quotes is exactly what is wrong with this country, left wingers give up their freedoms out of ignorance and foolishness and actually think everything is somehow "free"...Sad deal.  They will wind up in bondage as usual at some point, in which case history shows us conservatives will have to free them again...history always repeats itself, and people stay ignorant even with history to fall back on.

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IMHO, you have nailed it.  Thank you.

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Re: O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2012, 11:26:03 AM »
Catholic churches has had control of their members sex lives for hundreds of years, that control of your life is money in the bank for them, just like they have control of your sins and who goes to heaven thats always been money in the
bank from day one, they don,t want to lose that control  even if its for your better well being.
If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.
I dated a catholic girl one time and there was this priest that followed us everywhere we went...... ::)
Wow - really. I'm surprised he had such an interest. If the church has soo much money- you should have invited him to tag along. He would have paid all 3 of your ways. lol
But really  back to the other religions- where are they on this issue?
sadly the catholics won't get much help from other religions.  when I was a kid, the baptists hated catholics.  but this issue is not just religion, it's first amendment rights and everyone should come together and defeat obama.
Some still do as shown by some responses to some of the posts on this site. .......If Catholics aren't supported on this issue because they are Catholics- it's truly a sad comment on some religions. Obama should not be afraid of only losing the Catholic vote. It should be shown that he will lose the Christian vote if he does not change his belief on this topic. I am really disappointed that other religions have not joined in. Does their silence mean other Christian religions do not oppose the idea the Catholic bishops said-- Obama's proposal "continues to involve needless government intrusion in the internal governance of religious institutions, and to threaten government coercion of religious people and groups to violate their most deeply held convictions." Shame on them if they remain silent..
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Re: O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2012, 01:10:04 PM »
If he gets away with this, the rest of the religious groups will be in his sights.
he does have a war on Christianity.
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Re: O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2012, 02:04:09 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/arrogance-obamas-accommodation-160900646.html

No one elected Barack Obama to be Pope. So why on Earth is he forcing Catholics to violate their religious doctrines?President Barack Obama went a long way this month to proving conservative critics correct when they paint the president as aloof and arrogant. In a long-anticipated decision, Obama and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius mandated that employers provide coverage for contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients at no charge — not even copays — as part of the ObamaCare regulation of health insurance. That mandate exempts "places of worship," but not religiously affiliated organizations such as schools, charities, and hospitals. When an eruption of outrage followed the announcement of this new rule, Obama announced an "accommodation" — without once bothering to consult the religious organizations impacted by the rule, nor changing the impact of the rule one whit through the supposed "compromise."
 Obama's diktat to Catholics demonstrates just how arrogant the president can be.
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 First, let's take a look at the differences between the original rule published in late January and the supposed accommodation offered last Friday, as economist Greg Mankiw helpfull explains it. The original rule (A) required employers to buy health insurance that covers contraception and abortifacients for its employees. The compromise (B) requires employers to buy health insurance for its employees, and have the health insurer communicate its coverage for contraception and abortifacients to the employees. As Mankiw notes, the employer still bears the cost of the health insurance which will cover the costs of those products and services, so it's impossible to support B but not A, or A but not B. There is no substantive difference between the two positions.
 Employers still have to provide coverage — at no cost, not even copays — for contraception and abortifacients such as "ella" and Plan B, as well as IUDs. Here's a question few are asking: Why? Obama and his administration insist that women need better access to contraception and abortifacients, but few women have problems accessing them. The CDC reported in 2009 that contraception use wasn't exactly lacking: "Contraceptive use in the United States is virtually universal among women of reproductive age: 99 percent of all women who had ever had intercourse had used at least one contraceptive method in their lifetime." Of all the reasons for non-use of contraception in cases of unwanted pregnancy, lack of access doesn't even make the CDC's list; almost half of women assumed they couldn't get pregnant (44 percent), didn't mind getting pregnant (23 percent), didn't plan to have sex (14 percent), or worried about the side effects of birth control (16 percent). In fact, the word access appears only once in this study of contraceptive use, and only in the context of health insurance, not contraception.
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 The mandate for no-cost insurance coverage makes no business sense, either. Insurers operate risk pools, and the more risks one group creates, the more they are expected to contribute to balance the risk for the other participants. For instance, when a driver buys insurance, his rates depend on a number of factors, including age, vehicle type, area of residence, driving record, and the number of miles driven in a year. If a driver chooses to drive more than 7,500 miles in a year, the risk increases, and so do premiums for that driver. If the insurer spread the cost of this one driver's increased risk across the whole pool of drivers, it would disincentivize risk minimization. Adults can choose to be sexually active. They might require contraception. But if the government mandates coverage of those products, shouldn't the people choosing that riskier behavior be expected to contribute more rather than less, to keep the rest of the risk pool from paying for their increased access?
 The White House and HHS insist that this is immaterial, because it's cheaper to provide the contraceptive coverage than to exclude it. This is based on a cost-benefit analysis that claims that the use of contraception and abortifacients lower health-care costs for women. If that's true, however, health insurers wouldn't need a mandate to add such coverage to existing plans. The problem with this analysis is that it ignores the fact that insurers have to cover the up-front cost of such products and services, while any possible savings (by preventing more expensive pregnancy and childbirth costs) would occur over a much longer period of time. Those up-front costs will be borne by those paying the premiums — in this case, the employers (and sometimes, partially, by employees.)
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