Author Topic: Obama bans 1911 (Read 3666 times)

rockbilly · « **on:** March 23, 2012, 07:22:25 AM »

I’m spitting mad.

I just found out that Obama, Clinton and the ATF are banning historic 1911 Colt .45 pistols!

You see, my staff and I have been fighting against Obama’s ban on re-importing nearly ONE MILLION M1 Garand and M1 Carbine rifles.

And NAGR members like you have made your voice heard!

But my staff has just uncovered evidence Obama is blocking over 300,000 1911 Colts, too!

That’s well over one million firearms they are gleefully keeping out of American hands.

These guns were made here. They are part of America’s proud heritage and they belong to U.S. taxpayers.

If these firearms came back home, HUGE numbers of law-abiding, freedom-loving gun owners will be able to own one.

And that’s an idea Obama and Hillary simply cannot stomach.

Please read the enclosed letter from fellow NAGR member, U.S. Senator Rand Paul.

Then fill out the Official Firearms Freedom Survey and helps us FORCE Obama, Hillary and the ATF to allow these firearms to come back home!

For Freedom,

Dudley Brown
Executive Vice President

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2012, 02:20:16 AM »

Rockbilly: is there a working link for that survey?

rockbilly · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:48:37 AM »

Try this link;

http://www.nagr.org/M1_RP_Survey2.aspx?pid=2b

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2012, 08:35:11 AM »

Rockabilly - has your staff figured out why Obama wants to ban 1911? Is he a double-action, de-cocker & plastic sort of guy, or what?

Casull · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »

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Rockabilly - has your staff figured out why Obama wants to ban 1911? Is he a double-action, de-cocker & plastic sort of guy, or what?

Is that supposed to be witty or something?

Are you in favor of such a ban?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2012, 11:37:49 AM »

Quote from: Casull on March 24, 2012, 10:46:13 AM

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Rockabilly - has your staff figured out why Obama wants to ban 1911? Is he a double-action, de-cocker & plastic sort of guy, or what?
Is that supposed to be witty or something? Are you in favor of such a ban?

I'm witty without even trying, Casull. I'm trying to suss out why Obama (allegedly) wants to ban 1911s, specifically, and hoping that Rockabilly's staff has an answer.

rockbilly · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2012, 06:42:55 AM »

I don’t have a staff; I am simply a member of National Gun Rights and downloaded the info from an e-mail I received from them. Surely you are aware of the ban of a million M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines by the Hillary/Obama team.

Senator Rand Paul is a big supporter and spokesman for National Gun Rights. Check the site below for more information.

http://us.mc1810.mail.yahoo.com/mc/welcome?.partner=sbc&.gx=1&.tm=1332693084&.rand=0rebrj0hl0d17#_pg=showMessage&sMid=12&&filterBy=&.rand=1194626216&midIndex=12&mid=1_24573_AN3HimIAACSYT2ehrgY6zncBJCs&fromId=Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org&m=1_19448_ANzHimIAAGGhT2pSUwSSAmRGPKI,1_20520_AN3HimIAAO6aT2o9QQsqGEkr2fo,1_21355_AP7GimIAAGT8T2jgCgFjfQEUxxo,1_22492_AHTGimIAAGFtT2i6FwbATzXMbhg,1_23397_AN%2FHimIAASF7T2ihKQJZPDRtRsM,1_24573_AN3HimIAACSYT2ehrgY6zncBJCs,1_25410_AHjGimIAAV9ZT2TE%2Fw1X0TfEbvs,1_26551_AN7HimIAAIIbTrF6swfqFFqA6LI,1_27843_AN3HimIAAG3jTqEaKA2kzmOKssI,1_29112_APvGimIAABDJTm5%2FaQeH4HtGJyw,1_30095_AG3HjkQAAKU%2FTi0Z6QeACFPHnnY,&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&hash=00bc0ade75890a651fd57b4a86a87010&.jsrand=7743443

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2012, 08:50:15 AM »

Quote from: rockbilly on March 25, 2012, 06:42:55 AM

Surely you are aware of the ban of a million M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines by the Hillary/Obama team.

don't know details, but I'm vaguely aware of it. Sucks, as I'd like a Garand or a Carbine in the cheap, to go along with the Mosin.

I wouldn't be surprised if it shook out that some import restrictions were welcomed by remington and others...

Casull · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2012, 10:15:33 AM »

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I wouldn't be surprised if it shook out that some import restrictions were welcomed by remington and others...

I wouldn't either, but what, exactly, has that to do with anything?

gypsyman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2012, 03:23:19 AM »

About the only thing YT3 isn't against is boat oars to stir the pot. gypsyman

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2012, 04:57:14 AM »

Quote from: gypsyman on March 29, 2012, 03:23:19 AM

About the only thing YT3 isn't against is boat oars to stir the pot. gypsyman

there's lots of things I'm against. I don't like practicing with a small-frame .357 w/potent loads or a Ruger LCP; they're just no fun.

Oars? Naw... Alpha One outdrive. On pistols... I've always been an all-steel, single-action type. Haven't had a 1911 since the early nineties, but I had a Hi-Power until recently. I just might make to move to plastic, soon... but if I find a milsurp 1911 on the cheap, I'd probably jump on it.

darkgael · « **Reply #11 on:** March 29, 2012, 10:09:33 AM »

Rock: the problem with the OP is that, by design or by accident, the header "Obama bans 1911" can (and does) lead readers to believe that Mr. Obama is banning all 1911s. Instead, he is purportedly banning the importation of a substantial batch of older 1911s from a foreign country - bad enough, but not the sweeping action implied by the header.
To initiate such a ban, a President must issue an executive order. Do you have the number of the E.O. in question?
I should like to read it. Is that info part of the article linked?
Pete

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2012, 10:41:25 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on March 24, 2012, 08:35:11 AM

Rockabilly - has your staff figured out why Obama wants to ban 1911? Is he a double-action, de-cocker & plastic sort of guy, or what?

maybe more like I don't want one you can't have one sort of guy

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:34:55 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on March 29, 2012, 10:41:25 AM

Quote from: yellowtail3 on March 24, 2012, 08:35:11 AM
Rockabilly - has your staff figured out why Obama wants to ban 1911? Is he a double-action, de-cocker & plastic sort of guy, or what?

maybe more like I don't want one you can't have one sort of guy

Or maybe it is nothing at all. I am waiting to see this EO or something more than the OP to make up my mind. It makes no sense on its face.

Mikey · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2012, 01:24:05 AM »

Ban 1911s? Now even if they are imported from a foreign country, they are US made. What the hay is wrong with that numnutz, someone hit him a bit too hard with a happy stick when he was a kid??
I think we shoukd make it a policy to ban all obama-types. Although the rules say 'American born' I think that should be changed to American born and raised. And I think we should ban all liberal, socialist, communist and democraps from running for office.
I also think that what we truly have to be on the lookout for is his abuse of Executive Priviledge and executive power. He is far too happy with being able to reach out and have someone 'touched' without ever getting his hands dirty and this is just one reason why we have to get this guy out of office.
I am really hoping Scotus strikes down his health care bill or at least kills the 'individual mandate' requirement. That will effectively gut the bill, and the remaining provisions, even those that look good to his blind, dumb followers, can be dealth with without a new law that indentures future generations of Americans.
And, of course, without his signature health care bill, and a poor economy, I am really hoping that he will be a one termer.....

darkgael · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2012, 12:13:21 AM »

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we should ban all liberal, socialist, communist and democraps from running

That's it. Ban everyone who doesn't think like us. Freedom of speech, et cetera, not for the likes of them.
Pete

Keith L · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2012, 01:15:25 AM »

Can anyone point to anything like an executive order, proposed law, court case, or anything that supports this claim? It is hard to fight against somethint like this if we don't have data. I did some internet searching and found nothing. It just makes us look foolish to write letters etc. when we don't have anything to point to. The link that Rockabilly posted goes nowhere for me.

Mikey · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2012, 01:54:47 AM »

Keith: I think, or rather feel that the administration will keep the import ban specifics fairly quiet as for the time being, with all the heat he is receiving on obamacare and the economy that he most likely doesn't want anything else to come up and bite him in the butt. I agree that specifics are necessary to respond properly and they are lacking at the time. However, we can always lambast his butt on obamacare - that, like Michelle's butt is way too big a target.....
darkgael: yeah, you got the picture, although the one I drew for you was a cartoon. We can certainly ban socialists or socialistas and commies, although I think their own mandates so revile the American public that their campaigns wouldn't last a week, so why bother. But the liberals and dumbocraps are sort of like illnesses we just have to live with, like colds and pnuemonia - a royal pain and possibly deadly, so we really have to be careful as to how far we can trust them....
Freedom of speech - yes, we all have that, as well as the full chance to waste our breath trying to dissuade their beliefs. I just think that air freshener is necessary for democraptic party meetings because the stuff they hype is really getting old.......

Bitterroot Bob · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2012, 01:57:25 PM »

Our biggest problem, as members of the shooting fraternity, is knowing when to burn powder, and when to to look askance with a jaundiced eye. I have contacted Rand Paul's office and contacted the NAGR, with no response. Rand Paul's office could tell me NOTHING about the organization. NAGR never responds to any query, but to ask for donations. My scam-radar is growling like there's an incoming SAM heading for my tail-pipe.
As best I can figure, NAGR exists to umploy a couple of guys from Colorado who like to shoot. I also believe that, in exchange for sshilling for the NAGR, Rand Paul pockets a percentage of donations.
NAGR uses urban legends and rumours to back up their requests for money. It is their fervent hope that enough of us will see the official seals on their letterhead and envelopes and believe all the hogwash that they spread. We have become a little too reliant upon the NRA, SAF, GOA, and other organizations to keep us up to date on Second Amendment issues. As vigilant as we should be in protecting ourselves, we should also be skeptical of any claim forwarded by an organization that needs our money to fight for us.
Try to keep yourselves in check until you can verify the wild claims that show up in NAGR letters and emails. I have yet to see anything from them that lives up to their claims. Check alternative sources before you go off half-cocked on this supposed issue. What will happen when a REAL threat shows up and we have worn ourselves out on make-believe?
There are several reasons to dump Obama. This is not one of them.

Steady as she goes,
Bitterroot Bob

Keith L · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »

Thanks Bob. Well said.

darkgael · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2012, 05:15:05 PM »

The only info I can find about this ban thing is repeated comments - posted on every shooting forum in the inner solar system - exactly like the OP here.
I find no other info.
The comments about banning....socialistas and commies.....
Every time I read a post and someone is talking about commies, I get a sense of someone stuck in a time warp. Communism is a failed philosophy. It does not and never did work. That is why they have gone out of business.
Please don't refer to any so-called "communist" countries....there aren't any, despite what some call themselves.
Time warp.
Pete

Mikey · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2012, 01:31:00 AM »

"Every time I read a post and someone is talking about commies, I get a sense of someone stuck in a time warp. Communism is a failed philosophy. It does not and never did work. That is why they have gone out of business."
Now how does this go....he who fails to learn from history is bound to repeat it.

"Please don't refer to any so-called "communist" countries....there aren't any, despite what some call themselves".
History is bound to repeat itself and "time warp" is the perfect application, imho.
And obama - he strikes me as a scholar, but not a scholar of history.

darkgael · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2012, 09:58:28 AM »

"Now how does this go"....
It goes like this:

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Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it. Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.

by George Santayana.

Pete

teamnelson · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2012, 10:28:32 AM »

The Obama administration is banning the IMPORT of 1911s, previously manufactured in the US to GI specs, sent to partner countries overseas, who are now wanting to return them as per the requirements of the original agreement wherewith we sent them to them in the first place. This is identical to the previous situation wherein the Obama administration did not allow the return of M1 Garands and Carbines that were sent overseas under similar agreements. If I remember correctly, the justification for refusing the return of the M1s had to do with fear of citizens having access to military grade weapons, or some such affect. I used to have the quote from the WH spokesman at the time, but lost it. There was much discussion over at the CMP, who by law is responsible to receive those returned firearms and assess them for resale to the populace through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, or destruction. Many of those wind up deactivated and used by Scout Troops, ROTC units, VFWs, etc. for ceremonial drill rifles or training.

It could've been any US manufactured GI spec weapon that we've sold/loaned numerous allies over the years. It is not a particular slight against the 1911, not does it effect the manufacture or sale of the 1911 in the US. This is exclusively to receiving returned firearms from a foreign partner, probably in Europe or Korea. I will be curious to see what the US does in this case, as they are technically property of the US government. Were they smart, they'd receive them back in DOD circulation, send them for inspection, and return the working models into circulation with some of the units that are asking to return to the 1911. My guess is, the US State Dept will be directed to say that while we will not receive them back, we don't want them being used to harm anyone else, so we'll demand a statement that they were smelted. The recipient country will then file the numbers off, and sell them on the open market, so they can be bought by an ATF agent in Mexico and used to kill a BP officer in the line of duty. And I've not even started being cynical ...

Mikey · « **Reply #24 on:** April 02, 2012, 02:10:25 AM »

Pete: Yep! That's it.......