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Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« on: February 23, 2012, 06:11:03 AM »
During the Battle of Iwo Jima, a group of U.S. Marines and a U.S. Navy Corpsman reach the top of Mount Suribachi on the island and are photographed raising the American flag. The photo would win a Pulitzer Prize and become the model for the national USMC War Memorial.
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 10:12:17 AM »
Thanks for the post. We need to remember this sort of thing. Sadly, so many forget the importance of WWII and the threats it posed to our country.
 
I was very disappointed in the Clint Eastwood production of the movie named something like letters from iwo jima, made maybe five to ten years ago. There were two parts to it, as separate movies. It portrayed the Japanese as refined and civilized innocents and portrayed the Americans as stupid, vulgar pigs. Very interesting considering the Japanese were considered the most violent and thuggish of enemies ever faced by the US.

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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 03:28:21 PM »
IIRC wasn't there another photo taken a little bit earlier by another photographer that few ever get to see?
I think the famous photo we all see in the news was staged the way I heard it.
No disrespect for those in the second photo.
I could be wrong.
 

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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 07:11:25 PM »
I believe Longtom is right.  The original photo did not come out so well, so they restaged it and shot another photo.  They covered it on the History channel a few years back.
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 08:49:39 PM »
     Well, my memory is fading somewhat but from my classes in "History and Traditions of the Marine Corps" at MCRD in 1965 comes this version.
     One of the platoon commanders in the company that had been assigned to take Suribachi had placed a small American flag inside his jacket in case the opportunity presented itself.  When they took the summit, they placed it on a piece of pipe and raised it.  A Marine combat photographer captured that raising on film.  The brass on the command ship wanted a larger flag that could be seen from everywhere on the island so a larger flag was sent in along with a group of civilian journalist.  Joe Rosenthal (sp??) was one of them.  They accompanied the Marines to the top of Mt. Suribachi to get a better vantage point of the fighting on the island.  In a later interview, Rosenthal was asked if the photo was staged and he said "No, as a matter of fact, I almost missed it." It seems that he was looking in another direction and one of the other journalist said "Hey, look at that."  Rosenthal said that as the flag was being raised he turned and quickly took the shot.  At that time, film was sent back to a rear area to be processed and cleared by the censors before being released.  He said that he had pretty much forgotten about it.   Sometime later when the film was processed, one of the developers saw it and remarked "Wow, look at this."  The next day that picture appeared in almost every newpaper in the country with the caption "MARINES CAPTURE MT. SURIBACHI".
     The rest is history.
 
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »
     As a followup to my previous post:
     During the 1968 Tet Offensive, in the battle for Hue, the Marines fought a bitter strugle for weeks.  They took a lot of casualities.  The fighting was house to house, street by street, block by block.  Finally, they captured the Citadel and raised the American flag.  The response by the Regimental Commader to the orders to take down the flag so as not to offend our South Vietnamese allies was not suitable for print.
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 12:41:43 AM »
The first photo---the first flag raised was well photographed and they are good photo's. It was a small flag and not easily seen---a new flag was procured that was a large battle flag (the origin of this flag is under constant disput---the facts are it was a large battle flag) and it also was raised, to be better visible---there are a number of photos of this raising--the historic one that we all think of was but one of a number of these photo's.
Think about this if you want, I do. The flag pole was a section of water pipe. Where did this come from?
I suggest it was provided by God.
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 03:08:39 AM »
I believe I can get a pic of the first raising, give me a few minutes........  ;)
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Re: Feb. 23, 1945, World War II
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 03:42:27 AM »
Here you go.
 
 
First flag on Suribachi.

First flag coming down as second is lifted.

And the Iconic photo.
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