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Hi guys, looking for a little help. I have aquired a .30 cal carbine single shot made from a Remington .300 Ultra Mag barrel (1x10 twist). I have fired it with Gov't surplus ammo and it's OK, but with the faster than normal 1/10 twist I want to load up some heavier (longer) bullets to see if they will tighten up the groups. I have looked on the bench and what I have for bullets in .308 are Hornady 150 grain RN (#3035) and Barnes 140 grain "X" BT (#30810). I have the following powders on hand, 2400, 296, Blue Dot, Lil Gun, PB, and TB. This is a plinking/camp/varmint gun and I am not looking primarily for any max loads or hiper velocity, accuracy is king in my book. I have looked around for a load for these heavier bullets out of my single shot .30 Cal carbine but can't locate anything online or in my limited loading books for jacket bullets of this weight in a .30 cal carbine cartridge. I was hoping someone out there might have something I can use.
Thanks in advance for any info or insight you can offer....<><.... :)
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Re: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 12:54:24 PM »
My brother ended up with a similar rifle a few years back. We thought the same thing about the heavier bullets and the faster twist rate. I doubt you'll get any velocity worth the effort from the 140-150 bullets. We played with the Speer 125gr TNTs. I was loading a max of 15.0 grs 1680 under that bullet. I'm assuming the velocity was around 1700-1800'ps but did not run it across the screens to tell you exactly. The little critter shot a ragged hole at 100 yds. I know that's not the exact info you were looking for but it might be a start. I doubt the 30 carbine can push a 150 much faster than 1300'ps and there will be next to no bullet deformation at that speed. Velocity will probably fall off pretty quick to useless. If you decide to try the 125's and 1680 powder, start low and work up. Make sure to check the head of the cartridge for expansion as pressure signs will not appear on the primers until you are WAY passed max.

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Re: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 02:12:41 PM »
Thanks for the post and the info Larry, if I can figure out a load that gives me little ragged holes at 100 yards with the 140 and/or 150 grain bullets I don't care about expansion. I can always use these for my other .30 caliber rifles and pick up some 125's..Thanks....<><.... :)
 
Anyone else have any info that might help me with this?
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Re: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 03:17:39 PM »
I've been having great luck with a book minimum H-110 load of 14gr.  This is super accurate and has a bit more punch than the gov. issue, but isn't too dirty either.  With the heavier bullets, if you are taking up more case capacity, I'd probably drop the start load down to about 12 to start.  ;)
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Re: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 04:43:43 PM »
Hi tacklebury, thanks for that info. Do you think the 12.0 to 14.0 grains of H-110 would be OK behind a 140 and 150 grain jacketed .308 bullet? If you do and have some expierence with that combination I will load up a couple at the 12.0 grain level tomorrow after church and try to get to the range in the afternoon, if it's not raining....Thanks....<><....:)   
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 03:32:44 AM »
Hello tacklebury and others, I have done some checking and Hodgdon lists 14.0 to 15.0 grains of H110 ( and the 296 I have on hand) as the min to max load for a Hornady JSP 110 grain bullet, thanks for that info and the lead, it does help. Does anyone else have any expierence with loads for these heavier 140 to 150 grain bullets I want to try out of my single shot .30 carbine rifle?
How about any comments or observations on a starting load of 12.0 grains of 110/296 behind a 140 or 150 grain jacketed bullet?...Thanks again for any help, insight, or input....<><.... :)
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 03:37:48 AM »
I don't have any but you might check the cat whisper loads , you could work up from them.
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 11:34:11 AM »
Thanks to all, I am grateful for your help. This afternoon I loaded up 6 rounds using TrailBoss. One of the Lee scoops I tried threw an even 5.0 grains of TB which filled the small .30 carbine case to just above where the base of where the 150 grain jacket bullet would be if loaded to the cannelure. That decided the load. I loaded 3 rounds to try with 5.0 grains of TB and the 150 grain bullet and 3 more rounds with 5.0 grains of TB behind the pointed 140 grain bullet (no cannelure).
It is not a great day here so I did not get to the range to try them but did load one addittional round with 5.0 grains of TB and the 150 grain jacketed bullet. I fired it into a left over PT 4/6 landscape timber at the 4" thick side at about 10 feet, I was hoping to recover the bullet, but no soap, it traveled right throuh the timber and imbedded in the ground behind the timber. The report was not as loud as a GI issue .30 carbine of course. There were no pressure signs evident on the fired case as well.
So, thanks again and I am making some headway. The real reason I want to shoot some longer (heavier) bullets is to try to tighten up my groups. My thinking is the 1/10 barrel might benefit from longer bullets. IIRC, original military .30 Carbines had 1/20 twist barrels and were designed to shoot the lighter 85 to 115 grain bullets, with the standard military jacket bullet being about 110 grains....<><....:) 
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 12:31:42 PM »
I haven't tried any longer bullets as my carbine is a GI stock issue.  Anything longer than the Hornady 1/2 jacket point jams up anyway, so moot point.  I had considered trying the 30-30 FTX bullets some time seated deep, but haven't gotten there yet.  Good to hear the Trailboss will work.
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 12:43:26 PM »
It does seem the TB is going to work out well but time at the range will be the telling factor. Shooting my H&R Handi with the .30 Carbine stubbed barrel with ammunition loaded with longer pointed bullets is not a problem, but it would be the shells had to fit in an M1 carbine magazine.
A fine and helpful member has disrected me to an article by Paco Kelly about using heavier cast bullets in a .30 carbine. It is a very interesting and helpful article loaded with good tested information. I see saving up some cash for some larger cast bullets in my future....<><.... :)
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 01:08:18 PM »
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3220wcf.htm   here is an article that talks about 32-20 with heavy bullets and mentions 30 carb. Thought it might help                                                                                                                                                                                                         


You might check the castboolet forum or do a search there I remember a post asking the same thing


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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2012, 10:52:06 AM »
How are the carbine loads with heavier bullets coming along. I have one in the works, when I get it back I was gonna try some 125-150 grain bullets, 
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 11:12:16 AM »
I have a 30 carbine to 308 adapter ordered , want to try some bullets made for a single shot handgun in them if I can find a suitable load.
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
There are several sites that list loads for the .30 carbine up to 125 grain bullets. I am trying to use longer (therefore) heavier bullets in (banned site) single shot .30 carbine because of it's 1/10 twist barrel. I think the faster twist barrel (IIRC GI .30 cal carbine barrel is 1/20 twist for 110 grain bullets) should shoot the longer (heavier) bullets better with smaller more consistant groups. A fine member here directed me to an article by Paco Kelly on heavy cast bullets out of a .30 carbine and I hope to be ordering some cast HP bullets to try out of my .30 carbine single shot. I have not been able to shoot my 140 and 150 grain loads which I loaded up using 5.0 grains of TB but I have hopes for them as a fun and close varmint load....<><.... :)
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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 05:18:19 PM »
Shootall, most of the handgun 30 caliber bullets are light-88-90 gr. Sierra and Hornady make a 90 and both are dandy out of a rifle. My Automag III 30 carbine pistol shoots the Speer 110gr HP RN as tight as any pistol can shoot with accuracy good enough to ring a 6" plate at 100 yds. Same the Ruger old model pistols. But for hunting, it sucks. On a coyote at 15 yds you can almost reload the the bullet as it doesn't expand, nothing. From a rifle you may find some surplus 30 Luger bullets that will be FMJ in 88 gr. They come outa my Rockola and shoot as good as anything with a ragged hole at 25 yds. Considering what yer attempting to do with them, the twist rate MIGHT be wrong but I'd give 'em a run. Like we say in the country, Don't know if ya don't try.
FWIW, if loading for a pistol 30 carbine, the cut to length is critical. I have Remington new brass in the box that works great in the old military carbines but won't go off in a pistol. The cut to length needs to be at or just off of max length. Apparently they cut pistol chambers a little deeper as this is true of the Automag III and several old model Rugers I have. And most apparently Remington cuts their brass about 12-15/1000 short. If you have accuracy issues and are using small rifle primers, change to pistol primers. The 30 Carbine makes about the same max pressure as a 357 Mag but the pistol primers make an incredible difference.

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Re: Needed: .30 Carbine loads, 140 & 150 grain jacketed .308 bullets
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2012, 01:42:23 AM »
Thanks but what I am talking about were 150 gr bullets for a TC or XP-100. I will shoot them in a Rem 700 chambered for 308 using a 30 carbine adapter. I can't have to much pressure . I ask if I could get a federal 327 mag adapter but the guy who makes the adapter says it would be to much pressure. The adapter is SS so it won't have a good gas seal like brass.
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