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Offline 44 Man

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'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« on: March 02, 2012, 09:13:38 AM »
I always thought that all '03's were Springfields but this 30-06 is marked Remington.  Anyway, I'm buying it from a friend of mine as a shooter.  This gun was professionally sporterized back in the '50's and is in fair shape.  The bore is dark, but the rifling is good with the barrel marked 'A2'.  There are a few tiny rust spots near the muzzle and it has an inexpensive 4X scope and what was once a nice (and could be again) roll-over stock on it.  What I'd like to know from shooters out there (since I cannot get to a range anytime soon) is what kind of accuracy can I expect from a rifle like this?  Even though I'm getting it extremely cheap, I don't keep firearms that are not accurate.  I would accept 3" maybe 4" groups at 100 yds from a rifle like this, but I'd be much happier with 2" or under.  I don't know the reputation that '03's have for placing their bullets down range so I'm asking if anyone has experience with these old rifles please let me know what I might expect.  44 Man.
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Re: 'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 02:16:04 PM »
Bought a nicely sporterized scoped 03 several years ago that shot around 2" or more groups at 100 yards.  Bore was too nice for such groups.  Turned out the muzzle crown on it had a problem.  After doing my version of a crown job on it, rifle now shoots 3/4-1 inch groups at 100 yds.  On a good day, can keep my groups with a Smith-Corona 03A3, still full military, around 2" or so at 100 yds.  By the way, 4 manufacturers of the 1903 style rifle, Rock Island & Springfield (U.S. Armories) and during WWII, Remington and Smith-Corona made them too.

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Re: 'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 01:41:37 AM »
If the rifling is good you should get 3-4" at 100 yds with open sights.  If the action is not bedded you should be able to close tthose groups up just by bedding, or re-bedding the action.  A scope should bring you to within 1" at 100m.  If it doesn't shoot that good and you want to keep the rifle, rebarrel it.  jmtcw.

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Re: 'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 06:05:10 AM »
Springfield Armory (the real one, not the current commercial one) couldn't keep up with M1903 production during WWII and Remington and Smith-Corona both made them and a combination of having to re-tool as tooling wore out and ongoing modifications to simplify production and reduce costs lead to the M1903A3.  There are plenty of websites where a serial number search will date the original rifle (to either a specific year or a year range) but as a general thing here's what you've got on your hands.

The rifle is more than 65 years old since Remington started production in 1941 at serial number 3,000,000(?) and I think they stopped production no later than the end of the war.  Your rifle was sporterized 50-60 years ago and the term "professionally sporterized", which covered a lot of ground at any time, includes everything from masterpieces to dangerous junk. 

Likely, if you know and trust the seller it is at least safe to shoot but just as likely you've got no real idea of the condition of the rifle.  As a minimum, I'd have it checked by a gunsmith or knowledgeable collector who is familiar with them.  Have it checked with go, no-go and field gauges and, if you can find them, throat and muzzle erosion gauges and be darn sure to have the trigger and bolt assembly checked since many have been monkeyed with over the years.  It is worth having the uniformity of the bolt lock-up checked since a lot have had either enough use or not-so-good modifications as to not be uniformly bearing the load on the lugs.

These things were made with a lot of different barrels.  Rifling ranged from 2 lands and groves on up and all types were capable of shooting great groups but some were pretty sloppy shooters.  All saw corrosive primers and the general condition is often related to how religiously it was cleaned after firing.

You'll to shoot it to see what it likes best but they tend to like 150 to 175 grain spitzers at moderate velocities.  If you reload you have a better chance of getting very god groups but the only way to tell is at the range.  If the scope mounting does not block the stripper clip slot you can get five round stripper clips from any competitive marksmanship supplier (Champion's Choice, Shooter's Choice etc).  If the scope is over the center line of the bore you'll be single loading.

Good luck with your new best friend.

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Re: 'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 12:07:59 PM »
Thank you for your input, I appreciate it very much.  The more I look at this rifle, the more I'm beginning to like it.  I'm getting excited about getting it cleaned up and fine tuned.  Hope I can bring it home in a couple days.  44 Man
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Re: 'Rem' marked 1903-A2 accuracy question
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 09:17:01 AM »
If yours ends up shooting like mine and most of the ones I have been introduced to, you will have a hard time parting with it. I finally finished mine last fall with the installation of the Timney trigger and safety. It has been a long project, but one well worth it. With a 165 gr. SPBT sitting on a charge of 3031 and pushed to a little under 2700 fps, it does extremely well. It's hard not smiling when using one!