I disagree.
A True liberal can not like guns.
A True Liberal believs that Government will protect them (Police, Laws, and Jail)
A True Liberal does not like an armed society as they can not have the government impose its will on people if they will defend themselves.
A True Liberal could never use a gun to defend them selves as the attacker is not attacking them but is a comment on the injustness of our society and other factors that have driven him to a life of crime.
A true Liberal could never use deadly force as they are against the death penilty and how could we be sure that their civil rights would not be violated while they are attacking.
A true Limo Liberal thinks guns are what the hicks in fly over country do to get things to go in oppossum pie.
My guess is your Daughter is not really a liberal. She is a Mis guided conservitive. And just needs to be coaxed into thinking rather than being told waht to think.
Just curious when all this changed. I missed it, for sure. As a kid in the 60's I thought "liberal" meant wanting freedom... which of course you have to defend. Which seems to imply RKBA to me. When did liberals become communist dictator types? Somehow I missed the shift. Been trying to pin down when this happened.
I honestly think they have always been the same way. Your perception of what they have been saying may have changed.
Remember the Republicans were the ones that passed the Civil rights laws and ended Jim Crow laws.
But in the 60's the liberals yelled really silly things that were promoted by true communists. When they were told to shut up they screamed they had a right ot free speach and changed that to You have to listen to me! Now that they have taken over the media, the news papers, and schools, are following the Mao and Nazi mantra of take over the Media and indoctranate the young into their way of thinking. The bigger the lie the more people will believe it.
But what I think you are talking about took place in the late 70's and 90's when people started to look to the government as a benovelent parent that will give them things, not allow them to take oppertunities.
Have to admit, despite being 50, I was too young to really evaluate the 70's thing at the time. But that is the shift I'm talking about. Somehow it went from "Do yer own thing man!" to "Hey let's enact laws to tell everyone what to do!"
California strikes me as the essential example. Home of the hippies... most regulated stated in the Union, well expect perhaps one or two in the N.E. and New England, not quite sure.
Also strikes me as interesting how now the conservatives are saying essentially, "Leave me alone to do my own thing, man!". Almost complete role reversals on that point. I seem to recall the conservatives taking aim at long hair, bell bottoms, "Hippie Beads" and all. I.e the conservs were the keepers of conformity. Yet now the libs have somehow managed to legislate conformity to their "own thing man". LOL!
I guess that's the thing I'm grappling to describe. How the roles seemed to have been reversed in many ways.
As you point out. Maybe only my perspective changed. As a kid I'd have, of course picked up on the long hair and the "hippie clothes" and "peace signs" and all that. But can't for the life of me remember if those folks were hard line commie types, though I do recall hearing of communes.
Strange and interesting that the Nazi's where supposedly a workers party and are considered "extreme right"... the Soviet Communists... same deal, at least in name, and are considered extreme left. Same upset worker bees, two different methods. Both seemed to have lost out.
Need to logoff right now, but would be interested in others impressions.
But relating to the topic. I'd have thought the libs would realize the need for guns as defense of their liberty to "do their own thing man".
I took a look at Wikipedia's definition of "Classical Liberal" and well, that's what I thought a conservative was. So seems that somehow it's gotten to be a huge ball of spaghetti logic, with words not meaning what they sound like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
