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Mitt not doing well with a lot of conservatives.
« on: March 13, 2012, 02:17:33 PM »
 What’s the matter with Mitt? Why Romney can’t win over conservativesBy Jeff Greenfield | The Ticket – 6 hrs ago     
  • Mitt Romney at the Daytona 500 in February. (Lynne Sladky/AP)
    "There's an old saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan," President Kennedy observed after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, but Mitt Romney's campaign—living in between victory and defeat, and desperately hoping that the Alabama and Mississippi primaries can end the uncertainty—has brought with it a thousand kibitzers, offering the kind of free advice that is worth every penny: He must show his human side, he must connect with real people, he must define himself more clearly, he must offer us a compelling vision of why he wants to be president. (Assuming he does not answer, as New York mayoral candidate Abe Beame did in 1965 to Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, "Right--What do I say then?")
   Lurking beneath the surface of these concerns is a more fundamental one that no amount of repositioning or "messaging" can fix. Put simply, it is that Mitt Romney is ill-equipped to embrace the Republican Party's favorite argument: that its candidate best embodies the values and attributes of the American electorate—or, at least, the part of the country that Sarah Palin called "the Real America."
This strategy goes back decades, and has taken many forms. It was Richard Nixon's argument in his 1946 congressional campaign, when he claimed to stand for "the forgotten American," it was a central theme of his 1968 campaign, when he hailed "the nonshouters, the nondemonstrators," and it was at the heart of his appeal a year later to "the great silent majority."
It was a foundation of George H.W. Bush's 1988 campaign, which managed to define Michael Dukakis as a Harvard-trained elitist, indifferent to the pull of patriotism. "Should public school teachers be required to lead our children in the pledge of allegiance?" Bush asked in his acceptance speech. "My opponent says no—and I say yes," he said, before embarking on a tour of flag factories.
It was at the core of the effort in 2000 to paint Al Gore as a smug, condescending elitist with no faith in the common sense of ordinary Americans. "He trusts the government," George Bush argued. "I trust the people." It was how Republicans wanted the voter to see John Kerry in 2004, as a French-speaking Ivy Leaguer who put Swiss cheese on his Philly cheese steak and wind-surfed.
This all-but-permanent Republican "values" strategy is rooted in the conflicts of race, war and culture that left many in the white working and middle class convinced that more affluent, educated Democrats had contempt for their convictions. So why would Mitt Romney find such an appeal so vexing? Consider:
Life Experience: From FDR to JFK to the Bushes, candidates have used a life-changing experience to surmount the debilitating handicap of wealth and privilege. Roosevelt had to overcome polio (a fact well-known to voters, even if there was little photographic evidence of his ailment). Kennedy and the first Bush were war heroes who almost lost their lives in combat. George W. Bush turned his life around after a past characterized by indolence and excessive drinking.
Romney has no such event in his life, no burden to suggest that he has experienced a struggle or setback. This is hardly a mark against him, but it does suggest that his life offers little to suggest that he understands the problems of "people like me."
God: Nothing more bonds a Republican candidate to the party's conservative base than a strong sense of religious identification. As Adrian Wooldridge and John Mickelthwait wrote in "The Right Nation" in 2004: "The best predictor of whether a white American votes Republican is not his or her income but how often he or she goes to church. In 2000, Bush won 79 percent of the votes of those whites who went to church more than once a week (and only 33 percent of those who never went)." Mitt Romney's political misfortune is that while he is clearly tied to a strong sense of faith, it is a faith that many devout evangelical Christians regard with suspicion.
Equally important, because of its relatively small numbers and its unique theology, Mormonism is a faith with which most Americans have little familiarity. Thus, Romney's most authentic appeal on the basis of his faith involves his commitment to a faith that distances him from those most likely to vote on the basis of religious devotion.
Imagery: Think of Reagan and what do you see? A lifetime spent in Hollywood? Or Ron and Nancy on horseback in the Santa Ynez mountains? Think of George W. Bush and what do you see? A descendant of generations of WASP aristocrats with a Yale and a Harvard degree? No, a jeans-clad good ol' boy clearing brush in Crawford, Texas.
Now picture Mitt Romney. What do you see? A man most comfortable in a blue suit and a crisp white shirt. In a sense, his awkwardness in trying to establish a connection with voters is almost endearing—almost, because it comes with a sense of desperation akin to watching someone dance who is trying to remember the steps he learned at Arthur Murray's Dance Studio.
Can a candidate win an election without a deep-seated "one of us" appeal? Yes, especially because someone running against an incumbent party in a bad economy can persuade voters he's "one of them" by embracing their economic discontent. In 2008, more than two-thirds of voters said Barack Obama "understood the problems of people like me." If the economy weakens over summer and fall as it did last year, and if gas prices keep draining American pockets, voters may bond with whomever is running against the president.
But a Republican candidate who cannot present that gut-level argument bears a special burden. And in the case of Mitt Romney, the burden is particularly heavy.
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 03:03:07 PM »
Jeeze Louise!

How long does it take some idjits to see the obvious? :o

Mitt can't win over the conservatives BECAUSE HE'S NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)

He's a RINO!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( (A half step up from a socialistdemolib)
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 03:25:53 PM »
     Mitt is a Rino..  Santorum, Paul and Newt are conservatives.  The part which causes vehemence in my mind is where the anti-Obamas attack each other.
   Santorum, Paul, Gingrich...if you don't have enough appeal to furnish a good enough message to "sell" yourself..then go after the REAL opponent, not each other !  Romney certainly is not my first choice, but he's thousands of miles ahead of the pseudo-messiah !
  This butchering each other has the liberals chuckling at their wine & cheese events..  The three most conservative candidates are splitting the vote.  Obviously it's about time the least productive 2 of the 3 real conservatives really ought to take the gentleman's route, and bow out to the conservative who stands a chance of taking the lead away from Romney, thereby giving strong conservatism a chance to prevail.
  When any come on here trashing or name-calling Gingrich, Paul, Romney or Santorum, they are doing the liberal-socialist's dirty work, just like the article by liberal writer Jeff Greenfield, above..formerly CBS, now NY Times.. !  Let's not fall for liberals articles trashing the free American side..
  When we take pot shots at  other conservatives we sometimes sound like cannibals..eating each other alive.. Jump on Obama, don't devour each other..
 
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 03:50:29 PM »
Sorry IG, but I did NOT "take a potshot" at a conservative. I called a rino a rino, that's all.  And like I said, he's only a half step up.........not a thousand miles ahead!

A gun grabbing socialist running against a gun grabbing socialist.....Difficult descision, huh?
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 03:52:08 PM »
     Mitt is a Rino..  Santorum, Paul and Newt are conservatives.  The part which causes vehemence in my mind is where the anti-Obamas attack each other.
   Santorum, Paul, Gingrich...if you don't have enough appeal to furnish a good enough message to "sell" yourself..then go after the REAL opponent, not each other !  Romney certainly is not my first choice, but he's thousands of miles ahead of the pseudo-messiah !
  This butchering each other has the liberals chuckling at their wine & cheese events..  The three most conservative candidates are splitting the vote, it's about time the least productive 2 of the 3 real conservatives really ought to take the gentleman's route, and bow out to the conservative who stands a chance of taking the lead away from Romney, thereby giving strong conservatism a chance to prevail.
  When any come on here trashing or name-calling Gingrich, Paul, Romney or Santorum, they are doing the liberal-socialist's dirty work, just like the article by liberal writer Jeff Greenfield, above..formerly CBS, now NY Times.. !  Let's not fall for liberals articles trashing the free American side..
  When we take pot shots at  other conservatives we sometimes sound like cannibals..eating each other alive.. Jump on Obama, don't devour each other..
 




I thought we were suppose to spell out the failings in the ones we don't like in the Primary! They are competing against other republicans........Not Obama! He comes later in the General election. Right? This is the time to decide who represents the GOP. Not the RNC.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 04:03:29 PM »
Sorry IG, but I did NOT "take a potshot" at a conservative. I called a rino a rino, that's all.  And like I said, he's only a half step up.........not a thousand miles ahead!

A gun grabbing socialist running against a gun grabbing socialist.....Difficult descision, huh?

I agree he doesn't do well with conservatives simply because he's not one.

Romney is absolutely no different than Obama. There are no core issues they fundamentally differ on.

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 04:09:50 PM »
     Mitt is a Rino..  Santorum, Paul and Newt are conservatives.  The part which causes vehemence in my mind is where the anti-Obamas attack each other.
   Santorum, Paul, Gingrich...if you don't have enough appeal to furnish a good enough message to "sell" yourself..then go after the REAL opponent, not each other !  Romney certainly is not my first choice, but he's thousands of miles ahead of the pseudo-messiah !
  This butchering each other has the liberals chuckling at their wine & cheese events..  The three most conservative candidates are splitting the vote, it's about time the least productive 2 of the 3 real conservatives really ought to take the gentleman's route, and bow out to the conservative who stands a chance of taking the lead away from Romney, thereby giving strong conservatism a chance to prevail.
  When any come on here trashing or name-calling Gingrich, Paul, Romney or Santorum, they are doing the liberal-socialist's dirty work, just like the article by liberal writer Jeff Greenfield, above..formerly CBS, now NY Times.. !  Let's not fall for liberals articles trashing the free American side..
  When we take pot shots at  other conservatives we sometimes sound like cannibals..eating each other alive.. Jump on Obama, don't devour each other..
 




I thought we were suppose to spell out the failings in the ones we don't like in the Primary! They are competing against other republicans........Not Obama! He comes later in the General election. Right? This is the time to decide who represents the GOP. Not the RNC.
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  I guess you think so, but the trashing tactic is getting quite old.  Obama's forces will do plenty of that when the time comes !
  Now is the time to tout the positive points of your favorite, unless you have run out of positives..
   I can appraise the four candidates, all of which have positives, my opinion, of course;
 
    A) Romney exhibits cool stability...rarely speaks "Off the wall".
 
    B) Ron Paul is persistent and has a great message on the economy.
 
     C) Santorum has great values and family image..and can elevate the values of the nation.
 
     D) Gingrich has the best grasp of historical and economic truths, he has the more pure brain power.
 
     ...........Not hard to do if one is concerned with the preservation of freedom and the constitution.. and not a sold out puppet to one or the other.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 05:02:11 PM »
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Romney is absolutely no different than Obama. There are no core issues they fundamentally differ on.


 
Not entirely true, Romney is an American. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 05:07:42 PM »
    Santorum sweeps todays primaries...perhaps it is time for Newt & Ron to do the "Man thing" and bow out, throwing their support to Santorum... thereby dumping the rino..
  Either that, or two of the three conservatives team up to take over the primary..
 
  Of course, I still prefer any of them over Obammy...
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 02:52:47 AM »
"Not entirely true, Romney is an American. POWDERMAN. "


I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 04:15:43 AM »
"Not entirely true, Romney is an American. POWDERMAN. "


I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
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   Many of the experts who have investigated Obama's birth certificate...say it's fake;
 
    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wayne-madsen-foreign-intelligence-agencies-say-obama-birth-certificate-is-fake/
 
 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 04:17:13 AM »
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I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
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guzzi. Romneys has never been in question, only husseins. I bet it would take 3 years to find his either, I reckon it takes that long to make obamas fake. Just for you I'll investigate myself. Click click, call call, view, YEP, Romney is really an American. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 04:24:41 AM »
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I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
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guzzi. Romneys has never been in question, only husseins. I bet it would take 3 years to find his either, I reckon it takes that long to make obamas fake. Just for you I'll investigate myself. Click click, call call, view, YEP, Romney is really an American. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 04:25:48 AM »
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I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
GuzziJohn

 
guzzi. Romneys has never been in question, only husseins. I bet it would take 3 years to find his either, I reckon it takes that long to make obamas fake. Just for you I'll investigate myself. Click click, call call, view, YEP, Romney is really an American. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)



WAIT! Mitt's old dad George was born in MEXICO. Could Mitt be an Anchor baby?
Romney was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child. The family lived in several states and ended up in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they struggled during the Great Depression.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 04:32:00 AM »
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I take it Romney's birth certificate has been as carefully gone over as Obamas?
GuzziJohn

 
guzzi. Romneys has never been in question, only husseins. I bet it would take 3 years to find his either, I reckon it takes that long to make obamas fake. Just for you I'll investigate myself. Click click, call call, view, YEP, Romney is really an American. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)



WAIT! Mitt's old dad George was born in MEXICO. Could Mitt be an Anchor baby?
Romney was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child. The family lived in several states and ended up in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they struggled during the Great Depression.
George had dual citizenship.  like my sister-in-law.  born in Canada, American parents.
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 04:58:43 AM »
Mitt is far from perfect, but, if he runs the government like a business, he will cut a lot of fat out of the government.  Whether he cuts complete departments out is another matter.  He did say he would cut out several departments.
 
The Education, Energy, Environmental, Welfare, and Commerce departments need to go. 
 
The Education, and Welfare departments need to revert back to the states like they were before. 
 
Environmental could just be relegated an Office status with environmental recommendations.  Then if someone does something stupid, they could just be sued for not following recommendations not shut down, fined, or have to get 60 page permits just to develop your property, and pay for the permits. 
 
Energy can revert back to private companies to provide energy at competitive prices based on what is available.  Only the Atomic energy commission should remain to keep tabs on nuclear material.  New technology will come on line when old becomes too expensive, like it was in the past, this includes wind, solar, geothermal, natural gas vehicles, hybrids, hydrogen, etc. 
 
Commerce, I don't see what good they are except: the SEC regulations for interstate commerce; banking regulations, which favor big banks; breaking up monopolies, which they haven't done lately but allowed oil company mergers, banking mergers, software mergers. 
 
Government should not be in the health care business, but be allowed to cross state lines and become more competitive like auto and home insurance, and more customized for individual or group needs.   
 
We also need to close down all military bases in friendly countries.  We have enough aircraft carriers to reach 90% of the worlds populated areas.  Only central Asia is out of reach of carrier based planes and there is not threat there.  Put the troops on the Mexican border.  We are being invaded like the Roman Empire was to begin with.  Remember certain Germanic tribes asked to cross the Roman border to flee the Huns.  It became a flood and the empire fell apart, the western empire first.  Hmmm.  Is our southwest going to be majority Hispanic, and not influenced by the English common laws. 
 
We need to get back to the gold standard to stabilise our currency.  At least make drastic cuts in the Federal Budget, and lower taxes for both corporations and individuals with flat taxes to stabilise the fiat currency.  Even Russia has a flat tax for all.  We must make a complete audit of the Federal Reserve and eventually eliminate it.