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Offline mannyrock

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Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« on: September 29, 2011, 08:39:52 AM »
 
Dear Guys,
 
   For close range coyote shooting, I was going to use 12 gauge shells, with #4 buck.  Talked to my game warden and he says that since buckshot is not legal for deer in Virginia where I hunt, I will be in big trouble if he finds me in the woods with buckshot in my gun during any of the deer seasons.
 
   So, what's a good substitute?  I have heard about copper coated BBs, but mostly in terms of goose and turkey hunting.
 
  Thanks for all advice.
 
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 08:43:03 AM »
how about a goose load in hevy-shot.  I've heard good things about it, penetration etc.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 08:49:46 AM »
Where in Va. is buck not legal for deer ? Don't doubt you but never heard of that. Some counties are buck shot only like Lousia co.
That said DEAD COYOTE from hevi-shot , T's or F's in hevi shot.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 09:51:43 AM »
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=dead+coyote&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12445950318037621660&sa=X&ei=Y7yEToKuKYXm0QHf0Lz5Dw&ved=0CF4Q8wIwAQ


carry the box with you
to proof these are  not deer loads
kinda expensive but cheaper than a ticket
probly  a good home defense load too.....[might be good for deer too,,hahaha]
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 05:53:52 PM »
 :)  Howdy! Talk to your game warden again to see if the loads listed above will satisfy the law. Good luck!  Always, Gene
 
 
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 02:28:39 AM »
I checked the Va game laws and nothing is listed that restricts buck shot size on deer. No fine shot . Where do you hunt ?
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 04:06:31 AM »
 
   Shootall,
 
       I am sorry that I didn't explain myself very well.   I have gotten permission to hunt on a huge (1,500 acre) tract of land in the mountains in the Shenandoah Valley, that is owned by a private landowner, but which is somehow (I don't know the legalities) administered jointly with the county.  It is in some type of wildlife trust. 
 
       Due to the large number of deer getting wounded by buckshot (idiots shooting at long ranges) the rules of the trust ban the use of all buckshot.  (Rifles are totally OK).  Because the county is somehow part of this, the game warden (rightly or wrongly) has advised that he will enforce the special rules of the land, banning buckshot.
 
   So, this restriction isn't a Virginia state law, it is some type of wildlife trust limitation.
 
   You are probably aware that there are several WMAs in Virginia as well, and each of these have different types of hunting restrictions, which are also enforced by the game wardens.
 
   West of the Blue Ridge, almost nobody uses buckshot anyway, since rifles are allowed almost everywhere.
 
  Best Regards,
 
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 04:20:34 AM »
Good luck ! Thanks for info. Up there on one side the Mt you can see for it seems miles in the woods . On the other side the laural blocks out alot of the view. I always use a rifle up there.
 BTW alot of turkey hunters up there , they always like to ban buckshot #4 in particular to keep deer hunters from shooting at turkeys  ;)
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 04:25:51 PM »
Manny,can you use slugs?? If so look at the reduced recoil LEO loads.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 06:03:13 AM »
 If #4 buck is not legal, I doubt smaller shot is. Use a rifle, it is that simple!
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 09:56:21 AM »
anything smaller than #4 buck is not legal for deer so it should be fine. Also .23 and smaller in rifle or handgun is also not legal.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 10:33:04 AM »
BB shot works well for me, I have used Federal turkey loads with good success.  Never tried the T's or F's, but being larger than BB they should work fine too.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 12:34:47 PM »
Is there any reason that you can't use a rifle?  BTW, a Savage 24 makes a great coyote gun in .223, .222, .30-30 and others with either 20 or 12 gauge.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 11:13:41 AM »
In my state we cannot hunt with anything larger than BB. We've used several BB loads on coyotes, and they are effective to about 40 yds.
 
Federal 3" copper plated lead BB work well and are faily cheap at about $27/25 rounds. When I hunt with the shotgun, I choose the Federal because it patterns much better in my gun.
 
Remington 3" HD BB also works great, but the price is about $3.50 each. My son shoots the HD, it patterns very well in his gun.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2011, 06:00:00 AM »
A good Turkey load will do just fine.  In fact I prefer them over #4 buck, more pellets, better chance of hitting harder.  I use a 12ga 3 1/2 inch duplex turkey load.  Won't recommend you do the same, that load is brutal to the shooter.  My Dad calls it over kill.
 
In low light, at night, and in heavy brush a rifle is useless for calling preditors.  That is where shorguns rule.
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Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2011, 10:52:55 AM »
Is the issue that a 12 gauge is all you have to hunt with? Because just about any centerfire rifle can be used to take coyotes. We have guys around here that use 30-30 Leverevolutions, .357 carbines, "Varmint" loads in 30-06 and .308.... I use a .223.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 06:25:53 PM »
The dead coyote by heavy shot is a good load.  I have used lead bbs before with good results as long as shots are close. 
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 02:57:36 PM »
I keep seeing this Winchester Coyote load suggested... I read up on it, its "T" shot.  There is allot of water foul loads using such odd sized shot.
 
3" BB and 2 3/4" #4B was always good enough for us.
 
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 03:23:54 AM »
Not long ago, you made a big deal about needing a coyote rifle & you didn't want to reload and with much input from us all you fineally chose a 22mag rifle.  :o Why not just use that?  ;)

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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 02:59:13 PM »
A .22 Mag H&R Sportster has been a great coyote gun for me in the Maine woods. Very effective out to 100 yards and perhaps a touch beyond. The rifle is up to the task if the shooter is....<><.... :)
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 05:32:48 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=dead+coyote&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12445950318037621660&sa=X&ei=Y7yEToKuKYXm0QHf0Lz5Dw&ved=0CF4Q8wIwAQ

carry the box with you to proof these are  not deer loads kinda expensive but cheaper than a ticket probably a good home defense load too.....[might be good for deer too,,hahaha]/quote]
 
I'd do like 45/70 and others have said, use Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote loads also carrying the box they come in!  Those loads are supposed to be effective to 70 yards (choked correctly), with .20-caliber or "T" sized pellets.  They are pricey and so are the chokes for them.
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Re: Can't use #4 buckshot, so what's a good substitute on coyote?
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 05:36:34 AM »
Quote from: pastorp
Not long ago, you made a big deal about needing a coyote rifle & you didn't want to reload and with much input from us all you fineally chose a 22mag rifle.  :o Why not just use that?  ;)   Regards,

Touche'!  ;D
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