Tap tap,,,,,,,, ok for those of you that have not tried these they are worth a look. Loaded a few for a prelim shoot and was pleasantly surprised. 3 in less than an inch with the 2nd powder charge, another 3 in less than an inch with the third powder charge.Loaded a follow up tonight.These are flatbase bullets with a flat hollow base(sort of). If the bullets do as well on deer as they do on paper they should be very good. So any of you that have the opportunity to give the Deep Curls a try I dont think you will be disappointed. I am ususally a fan of Sierra Bullets but these are looking good right now.