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« on: March 28, 2012, 01:29:42 AM »
So you have a note on your home. A bad time comes , roits , no work , and your funds slip away . So what do you do ? the bank wants the house. Where do you go ? what do you do ? You have food stored , guns , etc etc for long term survival but your base is being lost what's next ? No one else can afford to bail you out or want to give you 10 cent on the dollar ............
So is it better to sell the big nice house in hock and by out right a small house for a hedge giving up possible profit on the larger house it a EOTWAWKI dosen't happen ?
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 09:41:54 AM »
well the good thing is one of the first things that will fail are the credit card companys, banks and law enforcement . IF there is no bank to pay and no police to evict I guess I wouldnt worry about it to much. Now if the senerio isnt that drastic something like the depression was youd be in trouble. LOTs of people were homeless then. I know its not allways possible but you should allways be in a place where you own more then you owe. Worst case senerio a guy can sell cars, trucks, toys, guns ect to keep his home. I pitty young people that dont go by this and are in debt up to there eye balls.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 11:20:24 AM »
Desparate times call for desparate measures.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 11:51:35 AM »
This is why I have labored extra hard to pay off a house.  It may not be the nicest, and I have lots left to do to it, but everything is done with cash on hand.  I refuse to borrow money on it, no matter how much sweet thing wants new floors, etc.
 
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 04:15:40 PM »
I can't imagine the banks wanting tens of thousands of empty houses.  They might suspend our payments just to keep us in the houses to protect and maintain them.  An unoccupied dwelling would become a liability to them, not an asset.   
My son works for a commercial builder who had a $2.2 million loan on a piece of land that was supposed have an assisted living center built on it.  The town council in that town refused to rezone the land, thus the builder has had to keep the land until another use can be found.  The bank that was holding the loan got scared that the builder might walk away from the loan, so they approached the builder with a sweetheart deal.  They took $600,000 and forgave the rest, just to get the loan off their books.  I mention this because it is important to banks that their assets all be performing, with very little delinquency.  In a SHTF situation, most banks would either fail, or they would accept much less than was owed to get out of bad loans.  They will not want unoccupied houses with no potential to sell them.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 04:23:07 PM »
charles p, many banks right now hold thousands of homes, and are reluctant to let them go.  Their debt to asset ratio would plummet, and regulators would shut them down.  It's a catch 22.  The repos aren't worth a third of the liquidation value, but on the books they look like assets....
 
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2012, 12:15:07 AM »
It would seem that one of the first rules of preparedness is not to live beyond your means.  Certainly most people have to have a mortgage, but getting it paid off should be priority number one even in the best case scenarios, same with a vehicle. 


In a crunch, the banks are not going to want your house.  They are going to want you to keep the house.  Your job and ability to pay off the mortgage is more important to them than it is to you. 


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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 07:18:51 AM »
I can't imagine the banks wanting tens of thousands of empty houses.Well they did a few years ago and many are still empty . Some just finished or not used for long were bulldozed down. Its all about money . And when the bank fails the Govt. picks up from there.   They might suspend our payments just to keep us in the houses to protect and maintain them.  An unoccupied dwelling would become a liability to them, not an asset.   
My son works for a commercial builder who had a $2.2 million loan on a piece of land that was supposed have an assisted living center built on it.  The town council in that town refused to rezone the land, thus the builder has had to keep the land until another use can be found.  The bank that was holding the loan got scared that the builder might walk away from the loan, so they approached the builder with a sweetheart deal.  They took $600,000 and forgave the rest, just to get the loan off their books.  I mention this because it is important to banks that their assets all be performing, with very little delinquency.  In a SHTF situation, most banks would either fail, or they would accept much less than was owed to get out of bad loans.  They will not want unoccupied houses with no potential to sell them.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 07:38:18 PM »
This is why I have labored extra hard to pay off a house.  It may not be the nicest, and I have lots left to do to it, but everything is done with cash on hand.  I refuse to borrow money on it, no matter how much sweet thing wants new floors, etc.
 
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We think along the same lines here Ben.  not to brag, but if SHTF I can pay off everything by exhausting all savings and retirement, but at that point to maintain my lifestyle (including property taxes) is 8K/year. Before anyone gets the idea that I eat beans and bologna, guess again.  We have steak twice a week, along with shrimp, fish, and pork loin or roast.  Self reliance is producing as much of your own food as possible. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 07:43:11 PM »
Maybe thats why so many young folk go running home to dad when the SHTF....Dad owns the house, dad has got tired of roughing it too much when out hunting and has a couple of blow up matresses, a generator, maybe a caravan...
 
Until I was 40 I knew that if something went wrong in town I could always go back to the folks place and actually kept most sentimental mementoes there....Fortunately we were warned and had time to move everything of value to my place before the malitia arrived to burn the folks house down....It was also though an interesting study on defensibility of an islotated possition ...but that is another topic

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 09:30:42 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2012, 01:43:50 AM »
Don heath,  the same thing happened to a good friend of mine. He was living I n. the congo during the revolution and he was politely warned to leave his home or be killed, on two separate occasions.


I honestly don't think this would happen in the states. Most of africahasnt evolved to US 1900 standards even today,as far as industry and economy. I think people want the world to end at times the way they talk. The day after y2K should have taught some lessons.


I can guarantee 1 thing, if things get ad. It will likely be self inflicted by the same people crying wolf. ,Ike th e Obama haters making a run on guns and ammo.shelves were bare, prices high. 4 years later, I still have my guns. Day after y2k all over again.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2012, 04:47:28 AM »
The mortgage would be the last thing I would worry about. In a real EOTWAWKI all those bankers would be to busy keeping themselves alive to worry about someones bank note. The occupy wallstreeters would on a mission to track down every banker they could find because in their mind the big banks have caused all their problems. Then They would be the ones to show up at your door demanding you to share your wealth  ;D . Heck none of those people know how to use paper and files anymore. How they even going to find you when their computer and cell phones and GPS does not work cause there is no electricity ;D   

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 01:01:08 AM »


I can guarantee 1 thing, if things get ad. It will likely be self inflicted by the same people crying wolf. ,Ike th e Obama haters making a run on guns and ammo.shelves were bare, prices high. 4 years later, I still have my guns. Day after y2k all over again.

 
Who cried wolf ? It has been noted the plan to slow/restrict gun an ammo sales. But that alone didn't cause all the sales much can be traced to lack of faith in the federal govt. I think you use the word hate for the idea of mistrust. What I saw with Y2K is many who had never considered a weapon or who had dragged their feet getting one got off the fence and got it/them. There was some hording and over buying by some but not all. As for when Obama came into office ammo was short due to the military at the time burning up a BILLION rounds a year .
I do agree though with self inflicted though , SINCE WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVT.  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 04:56:05 AM »
When a bank forcloses on a home, it becomes a non-performing loan, which weakens the banks strength.  Banks often allow short sales to get the non-performing loan off their books.  Banks do not want to own our houses.  I disagree with the logic that assumes that non performing home loans can strengthen a banks balance sheet because homes are worth more than market value.  An unoccupied, uninsured home is a liability.  It rapidly falls in value and hurts the value of neighboring homes.

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2012, 05:05:14 AM »
There are quite a few around here that fit that though.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2012, 07:29:38 PM »
Banks here in the Ohio/Michigan states, usually don't start procedings to evict, for 2 years after the last missed payment. The thieves pulling copper wire/pipes, and whatever, have the banks in a ''let them stay, and at least keep the house liveable mode'', over just kicking them out. I just paid off my house last month, not quite 12 years into a 20 year loan. It took sleeping in my van instead of a motel room sometimes.(ever have to take a pee at 3am, get out of a perfectly warm sleeping bag, and the outside air temp is 0, doesn't take long to go, and get back in the bag :P )But, I now have an extra $1000 a month, that I'm not paying off a loan. And am buying extra food and supplies. Good feeling. Have to agree with a couple others. SHTF, and the last thing banks/LE are going to worry about is people in homes. Going to be to busy covering their own butts. gypsyman
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2012, 03:41:00 AM »
This may tangentially be going off the primary subject, but Don Heath's post was very educational and thought provoking. 
 
Yet again, it brings up the foolishness of the "lone wolf" isolated and protecting his home/family ect.  If indeed things get bad individually or as a nation/world the best survival/long-term sustainability skill will be in a close (note closed) community scenario. 
 
Probably the best preparation we can make is to keep our debts as minimal as possible; develop relationships with nearby like-minded individuals, understanding what each can and cannot contribute; and develop a buffer of usuable wealth (silver, ammo, tools, regular consumable but necessary items).  A 1-2 year non-deteriorating food supply is an obvious.  Forage and hunting would be supplemental at best so plan on some reasonable type of domestic food and animal production.
 
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2012, 10:06:33 AM »
Good idea !
What one will need will be direct results of what happens. If there is a natural disaster it will be limited ( maybe) . If on the other hand money becomes useless it could start a different panick vs an attack. If it is medical (which may be the worst) it would be different than all the rest. As for ones home it may or may not be of use depending on location in regard to where the trouble is. The thing is what will you have when the problem is over and who will own it ?
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2012, 09:55:08 PM »
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Still mostly in the land of sunshine...but generally stay far away from Harare (the capital) as I can...just it is a heck of alot cheaper to fly through Harare than Bulawayo when traveling.