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Have you ever seen one of these?
« on: June 27, 2012, 05:28:05 AM »
 
 
 
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 11:44:38 AM »
No - what is it.  Are those spark plugs I see?

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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 12:03:11 PM »
nope, never seen one. please enlighten us? since it was posted in survival im guessing its some type of labor saveing device or some way to do something essential while living off the grid?

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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 01:40:16 PM »
Not spark plugs air hose or pressure relief system. System is designed for pressure retention those fittings and the guages tell me that.
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 02:17:29 PM »
Its an absorption refrigeration thingy.
http://crosleyautoclub.com/IcyBall/IB_Manual/operations_manual.html
Okay so I clicked on the picture and followed the links, but I really do understand absorption refrigeration, really.


Looks like its an open cycle. Ammonia refrigerant? Do you have to fill it with ammonia (or whatever the refrigerant is) with each use?
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 06:28:02 AM »
Yes Mr Pow Pow you figured it out, Thank You!
 
The Icyball is an intermittent heat absorption type of refrigerator. A water/ammonia mixture is used as the refrigerant . Water and ammonia combine easily. So, they combine in the hot ball at room temperature.
When the hot ball is heated, for about 90 minutes (think sterno), the ammonia evaporates first because it has a lower boiling point than water. The other cylinder is in water to help condense the ammonia in the cold ball. When the balls are fully charged, the cold ball is placed in the insulated box, as the ammonia evaporates to recombine with the water in the hot ball it removes heat, cooling the inside of the refrigerator for 24+ hours. A hole in the cold ball was for a special ice cube tray.
 
 
 
     Icyball at the Smithsonian
The exhibit at left was found while wandering through the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History in Washington DC.
The display tells how Ferdinand Carre discovered the absorption refrigeration cycle in the mid 1800s. In around 1858 he marketed the black device above the Icyball for use as a cooling device in homes.
The Carre absorption cycle was an outgrowth of an observation by Michael Faraday in 1823 of the cooling properties of ammonia and silver chloride enclosed in a bent glass tube. The ammonia absorption system was similar to the process Edmund Carre, Ferdinand's brother discovered that used strong acids under a vacuum but was much more practical. 
 
 
 
Homemade Icyball
Larry Hall liked the concept of the Icyball but thought it was a bit large so he made a smaller version that could be used in a standard size ice chest when he went camping. Larry Hall has supplied instructions for building you own Icyball, Larry points out that in the original Icyball pressures reach as high as 240psi during the charge cycle. Please don't try making your own unless you know what you are doing.
Larry improved on the original design by adding a shut off valve in the connecting tube so after the Icyball was fully charged it could be shut off and the cooling cycle delayed till later, when you needed it.
This is Larry's prototype so it is equipped with pressure gauges and sight windows to monitor the process.
Larry reports the cold ball itself would get as cold as 11 deg. below zero F "The cold ball is about 5" dia. and the hot ball is about 6" dia.. I used off the shelf steel pipe end caps (weld type), aprox. 1/4" wall thickness if I remember right. The rest is just thick wall steel pipe and fittings. It's overbuilt for experimenting. On one charge it can keep an ice chest below 38 deg. F. for 24 hrs.. I never actually took it camping. I was going to make a simpler, lighter model but never got a round to it. The Icyball isn't exactly as simple as it looks- I found by experiment that you definitely need the internal bubbler tube and check valve (a very clever liquid type check valve) as shown in the patent drawings. The liquid ammonia (barely visible in one of my photos) doesn't get absorbed into the water very well without the bubbling, stirring action of the tube."
 

 
 

   
Other Home Built Icyballs  Texas Icyball 1999
The lowest temperature we measured was minus 19.1 F on the weld at the sight glass of the cold ball. How cold it got seemed to depend on the outside air temperature, the temperature of the cooling water, but most of all on heating it slowly so that you don't drive too much water into the cold ball with the ammonia vapor.
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 12:13:23 PM »
wow very interesting, never knew such a thing existed in such a small form.

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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 01:00:42 PM »
very cool  ::) err very neat, thanks for sharing this with us.
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 06:58:59 AM »
Its my understanding that yes the mix is reused, you have to hold it so the water seeps into the cold ball after its run its cycle and its sloshed (remix water & ammonia) from one side back into the Heat chamber for the next round of cooling.
 
what would really be cool is useing a solar collector to heat the heat ball and do away with a combustion heat source.
 

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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 08:55:13 AM »
Solar would be cool? Actually it is cool; too cool to drive the ammonia out of the water to create the same refrigeration.


Don't really have a good grasp of this intermittment cycle yet, but in a closed cycle, the hotter the concentrator source and the cooler the condenser/absorber source, the more bang for the buck.





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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 01:31:40 PM »
so do you try to boil the water, or just heat the water to a point where the amonia will gas off?? Seems to me 150 degrees (F) should be enough and that can be done with a solar collector
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 02:10:18 PM »
If you click on the pics in the OP, you can get to the operating instructions. Talks about giving it the "sizzle" test, i.e a drop of water boils off on the outside, so its above 212F. (The water inside the thingy is under pressure so it doesn't boil at 212).


You can operate it with 150F solar, but you might only get very cold water, and not ice.
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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 03:55:32 PM »
 Now that's a gadget! Small as Crosley's cars were, maybe he used it for an air conditioner.                                                                                                                                 Lehmans claims their solar cooker will boil water. Maybe someone will make a hybrid.

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Re: Have you ever seen one of these?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 04:40:45 PM »
Now that's a gadget! Small as Crosley's cars were, maybe he used it for an air conditioner.                                                                                                                                 Lehmans claims their solar cooker will boil water. Maybe someone will make a hybrid.
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Steam Car??
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 06:16:16 PM »
Doble Steam Car Company
 Attempts were made to bring more advanced steam cars on the market, the most remarkable being the Doble Steam Car
 which shortened start-up time very noticeably by incorporating a highly efficient monotube steam generator to heat a much smaller quantity of water along with effective automation of burner and water feed control. By 1923, Doble's steam cars could be started from cold with the turn of a key and driven off in 40 seconds or less. When the boiler had achieved maximum working pressure, the burner would cut out until pressure had fallen to a minimum level, whereupon it would re-ignite; by this means the car could achieve around 15 miles per gallon (18.8 litres/100 km) of kerosene despite its weight in excess of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg). Ultimately, despite their undoubted qualities, Doble cars failed due to poor company organisation and high initial cost.
 
Typical performance
The 1924 model Doble Series E steam car could run for 1,500 miles (2,400 km) before its 24-gallon water tank needed to be refilled; even in freezing weather, it could be started from cold and move off within 30 seconds, and once fully warmed could be relied upon to reach speeds in excess of 90 miles per hour (140 km/h). In recent years Doble cars have been run at speeds approaching 120 mph (190 km/h), this without the benefits of streamlining, and a lighter version of the Series E accelerated from 0 - 75 mph (121 km/h) in 10 seconds. Its fuel consumption, burning a variety of fuels (often kerosene), was competitive with automobiles of the day, and its ability to run in eerie silence apart from wind noise gave it a distinct edge. At 70 mph (110 km/h), there was little noticeable vibration, with the engine turning at around 900 rpm.

Video of a Besler  steam auto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N98mXwTsx5A
 
 
 

another  Doble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-PfwuHFoY
 
 
The steam powered Doble, once owned by Howard Hughes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dlKIy9EWjM
 

 
 
Loco Cycle Steam Motorcycle   (I Love this video, It made me laugh in a good way) ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gkgoNTBLdE&feature=related
 
 Airplane- Steam powerd two-cylinder, 150 hp reciprocating engine??. when the Doble car company went caput one of the engine designers went to work for the Besler company

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6NFmcnW-8
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Flying Crosleys
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2012, 06:34:15 PM »
   One of Powel Crosley's (see WLW in Entertainment Section) many interests was in aviation. For several years the Crosley Corporation built airplanes under the auspices of the Crosley Aircraft Corporation. The 93 acre airfield was located where the Ford Motor Company's Sharonville Transmission Plant stood. Crosley built monoplanes and biplanes like the one pictured below. In addition to this venture Crosley joined with Julius Fleischmann to start the Metal Aircraft Co., in 1928,  at Lunken airfield. They each put up more than $100,000 to become vice-presidents of the Company. They then started to manufacture a series of all-metal aircraft called the "Flamingo." you can see the plane above. Now that they were building the plane they needed to create a market for the Flamingo so they started an airline. They called it the Mason Dixon Air Lines in June of 1929 with daily service to Detroit. They were all set for major expansions when they suddenly sold the whole enterprise, everything,  in October, 1929--just days before the stock market crash. Obviously they knew something was going to happen. Powel maintained his interest in aviation and continued building Moonbeams but, soon, that business also faded away. There is still one Flamingo flying today in South America. Through a series of mergers, the company that bought the Mason Dixon Air Lines went on to become American Airlines.
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