Author Topic: Rimfire 22 or 17 (Read 3013 times)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2012, 02:01:25 AM »

Quote from: Shu on March 24, 2012, 09:56:45 AM

I finished the test-22lr ammunitions submerged in water for 24 hrs. 10 rounds 10 failures to fire. I pulled the trigger and the gun went click. This was a shocker for me. In the future I will try to narrow this down to more of an exact time of how long 22lr ammuntion can be submerged.

I have had alot of 22 LR ammo fail to fire over the years . If kept in my truck a season it was a sure bet some would not fire. Putting it in a zip lock bag extended its life but not as much as you would think. 22 mag on the other hand would shoot even if the case was green. I like the 22 RF alot shoot it alot , fun gun. BUT for long term storage its lacking no matter how much we wish is wasn't .
We are talking long term storage here . Why we store might not be an EOTHWAWKI but if Obama gets its way lead ammo might be a thing of the past. Now most can reload lead from bullets made at home but RINFIRE would be difficult for a few and impossible for most. So the guy who wants to put some away for a rainy day (no pun intended) might find 22 mag or one of the 17's to have an advantage . Also the 17HMR has a newer bullet for penetration out but I have not fired it.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2012, 05:08:33 PM »

I got 2 30 cal ammo cans at a gun show for $6 each. I had 2 550 round boxes of federal hollow point ammo. Today I went to the great wall's market abbreviated Walmart. Found 2 bricks of 500 round solids. They fit in the ammo cans real nice. 2100 rounds easy to carry and sealed. Now what to put in the other can.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #32 on:** March 27, 2012, 12:58:38 AM »

out of all of them i like the 22lr far more. Its cheaper, penetrates well and is cheap enough where a guy can put away a full case which unless you were shooting for entertainment to pass the boredom in a shtf senerio would last a lifetime. Sure it can go bad if its not stored right but so can centerfire ammo. Biggest downfal to it in my opinion is not it going bad from improper handling or storage but the fact it attracts dirt like a magnet. I can stick 20 22mags in my pocket and pick them out and stick them in a gun and not worry about them jamming. I wouldnt want to rely on that with lead 22lr ammo. But then i dont put them in my pocket i keep them in a magazine.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #33 on:** March 27, 2012, 01:29:41 AM »

Ammo cans are great but easy to carry for how long ? At the expence of leaving food or water behind ? The 17 HMR is the most accurate over the longest range. The 22 mag. is the most powerful of the lot. The 22 LR is the least expensive to shoot. In a time of need a weapon is insurance . You will get what you pay for .
Back in the 70's there were articles about hunting the great north. Often there were side stories about the Native guides and in many cases it noted they toted the 22 mag. One comes to mind where the writer/hunter was ask if the guide could take a moose that was crossing a lake. He agreeded and the guide killed it with his 22 mag. Then about middle of last summer I was watching a how about hunting whales from land and the guy on bear guard duty had a 223 , ammo is expensive there and weight is to be avoided.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #34 on:** March 27, 2012, 08:58:34 AM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on March 26, 2012, 05:08:33 PM

I got 2 30 cal ammo cans at a gun show for $6 each. I had 2 550 round boxes of federal hollow point ammo. Today I went to the great wall's market abbreviated Walmart. Found 2 bricks of 500 round solids. They fit in the ammo cans real nice. 2100 rounds easy to carry and sealed. Now what to put in the other can.

About 8 or 10
45 ACP 50 Rd Boxes fit perfectly as well

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:07:01 AM »

set them out in the sun for an hour then let cool they seal well if in good shape. If you load the can then flush with nitrogen as you close all the better for long term storage . add some brands of cat litter is also a good plan.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2012, 07:56:04 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on March 27, 2012, 01:29:41 AM

Ammo cans are great but easy to carry for how long ? At the expence of leaving food or water behind ?

I would hope to be carrying them the hundred + miles to the bug out destination in a car. Once at the bug out location and I have to bug out on foot, all I have to do is carry the can to some heavy brush and bury it in some leaves.

If I would have to walk the 100 + miles to the bug out destination and it is TEOTWAWKI? The 22 LR maybe the new currency. I would rather have the 22s than an equal weight in food or water. Lots of water on the way. The 22s will get me a lot more food than I can carry.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #37 on:** April 07, 2012, 01:44:11 PM »

Three years ago I got a 550 round box of Federal 22LR HPs. I shot 50 and put the rest in five seal a meal bags. I put the bags in a Plano plastic trunk that was in a shed in an undisclosed area in the Southern Appalachian mountains.

Last week I opened the trunk to see how they were doing. The bags were wet with condensation. May have been wet for a long time. I cut one bag open and put nine rounds in a revolver. All nine rounds went bang.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** April 09, 2012, 10:36:46 AM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on April 05, 2012, 07:56:04 AM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on March 27, 2012, 01:29:41 AM
Ammo cans are great but easy to carry for how long ? At the expence of leaving food or water behind ?

I would hope to be carrying them the hundred + miles to the bug out destination in a car. Once at the bug out location and I have to bug out on foot, all I have to do is carry the can to some heavy brush and bury it in some leaves.

If I would have to walk the 100 + miles to the bug out destination and it is TEOTWAWKI? The 22 LR maybe the new currency. I would rather have the 22s than an equal weight in food or water. Lots of water on the way. The 22s will get me a lot more food than I can carry.

You assume the water will still be good to drink . And the critters survived what ever happened . Just saying .

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 09, 2012, 02:07:49 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on April 07, 2012, 01:44:11 PM

Three years ago I got a 550 round box of Federal 22LR HPs. I shot 50 and put the rest in five seal a meal bags. I put the bags in a Plano plastic trunk that was in a shed in an undisclosed area in the Southern Appalachian mountains.

Last week I opened the trunk to see how they were doing. The bags were wet with condensation. May have been wet for a long time. I cut one bag open and put nine rounds in a revolver. All nine rounds went bang.

Just went trap shooting with a box of 12 ga shells out of the trunk. The shells were not sealed. The box was in a plastic shopping bag. The shopping bag was just folded over with the box sitting on top of the bags top. The bag was wet when I took it out of the trunk. All 25 shells went bang.

This was only 3 years. There was no hard cold winter. It is real experience FWIW.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #40 on:** April 12, 2012, 05:14:39 AM »

I have a vacuum sealer. I might just vacuum seal all my .22 ammo and put it back into the ammo cans. I've eaten meat stored in freezer vacuum sealed over 3 years old, no problems. I also heard the hand warmers can be opened and thrown into whatever you put your food or ammo in and it absorbs oxygen to release heat somehow. Oxygen is essential for life, and for making shells go bang, but it combines with almost anything, especially metals, and causes rust and decay. Rust is iron oxide, and there is aluminum oxide (dull finish on aluminum), copper turns green with oxygen. There are oxidents which cause cell damage, beyond just burning for energy, so you take or eat anti-oxidents. It gives life to bacteria and such which causes food to spoil.

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #41 on:** April 12, 2012, 06:38:40 PM »

Last night we did some hunting up behind town, hadnt any luck so we decided to hone our shooting skills with some shooting at marks, we both had been shooting off hand, my son had his Marlin tube fed bolt in .22lr and I had my Stevens model 30 single shot in .22mag (bought in 2005).

The best accuracy was my sons with the scope, off a steady rest I think I did ok, the Model 30 actually turned in better accuracy using .22Lr than the magnums.....go figure?

I'd fired both .22 mag and .22Lr interchangeably with no extraction problems from dirty chamber, the Remy thunderbolts streched a little with some smoking with no case lip splits (case lip splits are normal when shooting Lr's in a mag chamber)

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #42 on:** April 12, 2012, 11:50:31 PM »

One thing ive noticed is theres a big differnce in quality of 22lr ammo, especially the bulk packed stuff. Ive yet to have a missfire with blazers but have had a few with remington and LOTS with ww.

Couger · « **Reply #43 on:** April 13, 2012, 11:54:11 AM »

Quote from: Rex in OTZ

Last night we did some hunting up behind town, hadnt any luck so we decided to hone our shooting skills with some shooting at marks, we both had been shooting off hand, my son had his Marlin tube fed bolt in .22lr and I had my Stevens model 30 single shot in .22mag (bought in 2005).

The best accuracy was my sons with the scope, off a steady rest I think I did ok, the Model 30 actually turned in better accuracy using .22Lr than the magnums.....go figure?

I'd fired both .22 mag and .22Lr interchangeably with no extraction problems from dirty chamber, the Remy thunderbolts streched a little with some smoking with no case lip splits (case lip splits are normal when shooting Lr's in a mag chamber)

Rex, I'm intriqued by your Stevens single shooter, and its ability to shoot WMR's or Long Rifle ammo.

Which round is usually the more-accurate in your rifle?

Do you know what the actual bore diameter is? (.222? vs .224?)

THANKS!

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #44 on:** April 13, 2012, 03:27:43 PM »

the Stevens Model 30 GM is a .224"
it fires the .221, .22Lr accurate good range enough for hunting.

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #45 on:** April 13, 2012, 03:32:01 PM »

I have a couple of .22 mag revolvers that can fire I do fire .22short, .22Lr, .22 Mag all in the same cylinder, they go bang with the small stuff (not accurate though) in the .224 revolvers.
they pattern at about 20" at 10-15 yards, you can actually see the rounds fly twards the target, best performance is from the rifle.
shot from a High Standard Sentinel Mk IV and Taurus 941 and a Davis DM .22Mag

Remington Dud with 9 striker dents from 2 diffrent guns, we found duds scatterd all throughout Remington's .22shorts and .22 LR's (didnt matter if was thunder bolts or not) wither it was a revolver or rifle it didnt make a diffrence, we suspect the absence of priming compound in affected the cartridge.
No Dud problems with Remington .22mags at this time.

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #46 on:** April 13, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »

I hadnt seen it but one the kids that works the hardware store said he'd actually shot .17HMR out of his Dad's Ruger Single Six in .22Mag, it works when thats all you have,
He was going to the family cabin at camp up river, He'd ask'd his brother what cartridges the revolver took and His Bro said magnums, Mom was at the store and He'd called cell and said pick up a box of Magnums for Dad's pistol, she came home with .17Hmr and packed them in the sled box for camp, 23 snowmobile miles later into the wilds of Alaska's Arctic, they unpack the box of .17Hmr's that they planned to hunt Rabbit and Ptarmigan, they saw no rabbits,they'd taken 4 birds (Ptarmigan) with 8 shots.

ratdog · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2012, 11:17:53 PM »

those ammo cans work great and they seal real good i keep each caliber in them marked then i can find what i need to go to the range or hunting easy. i buy mine from an old army navy store. have seen them at the gun shows to. i have around 25. well made american quality.

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2012, 07:28:00 AM »

dont assume that metal ammo cans having a gasket seal against moisture, in alaska that was a common thought that keeping condensation off tools to keep from rust, Boy was I wrong, cold makes the gasket hard and easily allows moisture in in a fluctuating environment (55gal fuel drums are perfict example of this), changes in berometric pressure, crack one open in winter and the tools inside were coverd with condensation ice cristals, vack seal your ammo in
in ammo can first then in a seald plastic bucket will have enough barriers against vapor/humidity infultration, stor in a temprature stable area.

The Commies bypassed this by sealing their ammo in solderd boxes with a bit of dry ice, later in rolled lip cans like a ham can.

teddy12b · « **Reply #49 on:** April 24, 2012, 04:05:38 AM »

For my preps, I'm a 22LR guy all the way. The 22lr is the most common rifle & pistol in the world and for less than $20 I can get 550 rounds of reliable & accurate enough ammo. I've owned a 22mag in the past, and while it was a great gun, the ammo selection was terrible and for what it cost I may as well have been buying 223. I've got nothing against the 17's and magnums, but people will value the 22lr more and there isn't much a 22lr can't do anyway.

I'm in the process of getting some 22's set up for training people how to shoot. I've chosen the 10-22 platform because it's a semi auto that now has high quality high capacity detachable magazines. My first 10-22 has been completely transformed over the years and my second is going to stay somewhat basic, but will have some upgraded parts where they are critical.

To me the 22lr is the must have rifle for any man & family. A 10-22 sells for $250 out the door without looking for the worlds greatest deal. For another $250 you can have a $50 scope and $200 of 550rd bulk packs at $20 each makes 5,500 of ammo. For the money spent you're not going to get any better performance out of any gun/ammo combination than a 22lr. Trying to figure up the same package using 22mag, or any of the 17's just doesn't have the same value for the package.

Blue Duck · « **Reply #50 on:** April 27, 2012, 05:00:24 AM »

Id be curious. Shooting LR .22 or 17's shells in a .22 mag, might work for a while. But, what happens to accuracy down the road. Seems like the LR would free fly for a half inch or so befor hitting the rifleing and eventually create some slop. Also I can't think that a 17 rattling down the bore could be much good for the rifleing. It might feed you for a while, but in a survival situation, Id want to take care of what feeds me.

Couger · « **Reply #51 on:** April 28, 2012, 09:08:50 AM »

Quote from: Blue Duck

Id be curious. Shooting LR .22 or 17's shells in a .22 mag, might work for a while. But, what happens to accuracy down the road ......

DO NOT CONTEMPLATE DOING THIS! Shooting a .22LR in a .22WMR (chambered) barrel would result in a split/ruptured case!

And firing a .17HMR in a .22WMR might also result in a split case, but certainly wouldn't be accurate.

Both scenarios would be VERY DANGEROUS and FOOLISH!!!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #52 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:13:24 AM »

As a last ditch option they do work . And yes all the 22 LR ammo I have shot ( maybe 10-12 ) all split. The 17 would fit the chamber better except in the necked down area so it may only split the necks.
Also I like to shoot 22 LR CB longs at times they are not powerful really which limits their use. Last friday while in a gun shop looking around I found CCI quiet loads , they have 40 gr bullets not the 32 gr of the CB longs. They are a much better round. They are quiet not as quiet as a suppressed weapon or CB long but very nice to shoot with out ear plugs . I doubt they would draw attention from people who were 100 yards or more away. I shot them out to about 25-30 yards breaking up dirt clods on a pile and they were about an inch or so low with sights set to standard vel. winchester white box ammo.