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Offline YRUpunting?

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357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« on: April 19, 2012, 04:06:43 PM »
I switched my 357 Max barrel to a brand new SB2 frame I bought last week.  The barrel was a loose fit, a beer can shim on the pivot (thinks grcank) made it lock up tight.  At the range today I started with a few 38's I'd loaded to make sure everything was OK and bang, bang, bang.  Next I loaded up a 357 Max round that works great on the SB1 frame, and click.  Rotated the case, made sure it locked up solid, and click.  Grabbed another round, made sure it locked up solid, and click.  Rotated the case, click.  Switched to a different forearm, click.  Loaded a 38, bang.  Seeing this wasn't working, I switched to the hornet barrel (came on the new SB2 frame, another post coming on that), everything went bang.  The Max is loaded with small rifle primers, and the Hornet ammo was Remington factory ammo, so I assume it's small rifle primers too.  The Max primer dents are very small, much smaller than 38's and about half the size of the hornets.  Is the Max barrel locking up enough so the pistol primer fire but the harder rifle primer won't?
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 05:13:00 PM »
Answers probably one of those "looking ya in the face" types.  If you're sure it's locking up TIGHT the problem would seem to be primer seating depth.  I'd look at them closely make sure they're within a thou or two of being flush.  I'd recheck it's truely a tight lockup by seeing if adding a second layer or shim material will lockup or not.  If it latches then the lockup isn't as tight as thought, and if it won't close then I'd as a last resort measure the rim thickness on  the max cases and make sure they will headspace correctly with a 0-1thou lockup.

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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 01:01:07 PM »
YRUP, i really kan't figur out why tha resident NIA's ain't done come to yur rescue yet... :o
they knows bout eva thang bouta max and all others..... ::)
 
but i do thank tnbill has bout gotter down pat........... ;)
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 01:13:06 PM »
A new hammer spring(Wolff Extra Power preferably....FAQs) on the SB2 frame  and/or different primers in the Maxis should help, there's a big difference in primer cup thickness on SR primers.  ;)

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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 01:24:04 PM »
Sure hope that Max chamber rimseat isnt turned in too deep.......
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 01:29:17 PM »
Quote from: gendoc on April 20, 2012, 01:01:07 PM
YRUP, i really kan't figur out why tha resident NIA's ain't done come to yur rescue yet... :o
they knows bout eva thang bouta max and all others..... ::)
 
but i do thank tnbill has bout gotter down pat........... ;)


I'm not sure who you are talking about, although I am certain it is not me, but with all due respect to you John, your snide comments over the last couple weeks about "Know it all's" and bashing the guys that prefer rimmed Handi's has gotten rather old.  :-\
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 01:45:08 PM »
Quote from: dave29 on April 20, 2012, 01:29:17 PM
Quote from: gendoc on April 20, 2012, 01:01:07 PM
YRUP, i really kan't figur out why tha resident NIA's ain't done come to yur rescue yet... :o
they knows bout eva thang bouta max and all others..... ::)
 
but i do thank tnbill has bout gotter down pat........... ;)


I'm not sure who you are talking about, although I am certain it is not me, but with all due respect to you John, your snide comments over the last couple weeks about "Know it all's" and bashing the guys that prefer rimmed Handi's has gotten rather old.  :-\

i think you need to go back alot further than a couple of weeks and observe some of the remarks
that followed my opinions about some people wanting to know about there problems.
snide,.... not quite.
thank you.
 
btw, we can take this up in pm's................. ;D
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 02:11:57 PM »
Had the exact same problem. Tried the wolff hammer spring, no-go. PM Brian56 and he sent me parts from Remington. Replaced the parts and everything I put in it goes bang.
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 02:33:05 PM »
Doc being snide?  I don't think so.  Doc being right on firearms and ammunition?  He ain't steered me wrong yet!
 
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 03:54:41 PM »
Doc 'steerin'.......???
Na, he nudges and lets ya make up yer own mind ifin ya wants ta go there.
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 04:05:56 PM »

Thanks guys.  The Max barrel works perfectly on the SB1 barrel it was fitted to (at Ilion) so I don't think the rechamber is an issue.  The new SB2 frame I bought last week is a brand new 22 hornet.  The hornet barrel will NOT lock up on the SB1, so my deduction (scary!) is the Max barrel has to be shimmed to fit the SB2 frame.


I'm headed to the gun shop tomorrow for some Lil Gun for the hornet.  The primers that FTF in the Max are CCI 450's.  Suggestions on primers I should try?  I'm using H110.
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 04:12:52 PM »
What is wrong with leaving it on the sb1????
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Re: 357 Max FTF - 38's go bang
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 05:39:24 PM »
Quote from: YRUpunting? on April 20, 2012, 04:05:56 PM

Thanks guys.  The Max barrel works perfectly on the SB1 barrel it was fitted to (at Ilion) so I don't think the rechamber is an issue.  The new SB2 frame I bought last week is a brand new 22 hornet.  The hornet barrel will NOT lock up on the SB1, so my deduction (scary!) is the Max barrel has to be shimmed to fit the SB2 frame.


I'm headed to the gun shop tomorrow for some Lil Gun for the hornet.  The primers that FTF in the Max are CCI 450's.  Suggestions on primers I should try?  I'm using H110.
Try using Federal primers, that might help, they're a lot more sensitive, than CCI, which are considered hard primers.
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