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Knapping arrow heads
« on: June 17, 2012, 03:46:31 PM »
  I've heard obsidian was used. Has anyone used the bottoms of coke bottles to knap arrow heads?

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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 02:09:41 PM »
Yes, the thicker glass at the bottom of the bottles can be used to make larger pieces, but even sides of bottles can be made to make bird points.  There was a video, I'll see if I can locate a copy, of a guy doing just that for practice.  We use a piece of deer angler with a copper core, for the chipper, so it lasts a lot longer and the core can be replaced also.  ;)
 
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 07:11:05 AM »
  There are too many hundreds of millions of tons of soft scrap metal lying around to ever worry about resorting to the stone age again.
 
  I would spend my time learning to make arrowheads from sharpened scrap copper before I would devote any time learning to knap stone chips.
 
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 04:22:57 PM »
You may have a point, but with rough tools it's hard to get copper or scrap metal razor sharp and glass, flint or obsidian arrowheads are so sharp that some doctors have gone back to using scalpals made of obsidian....   ;)
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2012, 05:13:09 PM »
What material was used depends on your geographical area. In the Northwest it was predominently obsidian. In the midwest and east it was one of many different varietys of chert.
 
I knap and have mason jars of points, heads, and various sharp things I have made. Knapping is about 60% science and 60% art. Yea that is what I meant to write. Only someone who knaps can totally understand it. I have a pretty good grasp on the science and about 2/3 of what I start turns out close to what I intended. The other third either breaks and gets turned into somthing else which often breaks or I change my mind half way through and do somthng else and break about a third of thoes. The art I don't have down yet. Look at somthing made by D.C. Waldorf, or any big name, or countless others who are not known and the art becomes evident. I am still amazed by some of the things I see some of these guys make. I make a couple small knives a year, mostly for blanket prizes at rondys, if I find a nead arrow head I will try to duplicate it, and so on. Most could do a far better job than me.
 
But to the original question, yes, I have knapped glass. Glass is onery to knap, just a little bit more so than obsidian. Platform prep becomes more critical, and you crush more edges. I end up doing more preasure flaking and end up bleeding more. Hoever some of my nicest points are bottoms of old brown gallon jugs I dug out of old dumps and thick window glass.
 

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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 04:27:51 AM »
Has anyone tried useing innertube rather than a leather pad for holding the work peice? ear
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 05:53:10 AM »
Just a thought on a observation, I was passing through a empty lot saw where sombody had busted up a old heavy type computer monitor, huge chunks of very thick glass was strewn across the ground over 3/8" thick, them old computer monitors must have had a heavy glass backside?

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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 08:41:35 PM »
 Something I hadn't thought of is tempered glass, like coke bottles, or glass from a microwave. It ought to be more stout.

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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 06:00:26 PM »
Tempered glass won't work. It dosn't flake, it breaks in chunks. All you get is a series of steps and hinges. Someone better than me may be able to do somthing with it but I doubt it. TV and computer monitors will work, at least I have been told so. I have never found a piece big enough that I could reduce down into somthing usable.
 
Use a leather pad, the rubber may work if its thick enough, but more than likely you will quickly run somthing sharp right through it into your own hide.
 
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 10:18:41 AM »
 That's quite a site, Bubber; something a guy could spend all day looking at, or another sleepless night. Looks like they stay pretty busy with all the stuff they had to make. Sure can't get it at wally world!

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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 12:12:27 PM »
Yep, I think it will be another "home on the web" for me. Great link. ear
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Re: Knapping arrow heads
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 10:51:37 AM »
Tempered glass doesn't work well.  I found some shards of old TV glass which worked fairly well, but most things of that nature, in which category I would include monitors, don't.  Here's a link to a how-to "manual", which I've used as handouts in several primitive technology classes:  http://cavemanchemistry.com/oldcave/projects/stone/bottle.html  Google also shows several youtube videos about this approach, as well, for those who are inclined.  As the old guy who taught me said, "It's pretty simple, but not easy."
 
Almost any kind of "regular" glass will work; the thicker the better.  Preparing the platform is critical in both glass and obsidian.