I just found a couple of boxes of 25 Remington express... one is Remington brand, the other is WW western.. the first is a full 20 of loaded ammo... the WW has 4 rounds in it (rem).. is there any value? They look like a rimless 25-35 to me, were these to be fired in the model 8 and 81 Remingtons?? Bob - N. Wisc.