Author Topic: Rifle magazine May 2012 issue (Read 2002 times)

Swampman · « **on:** April 22, 2012, 11:16:52 AM »

Has a couple of good articles. One on the EABCO Model 97D and another on the CVA Apex.
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/ri262partial.pdf

j4l · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2012, 02:25:04 PM »

Was actually going to post that, today. Saw the article yesterday, and am most curious. Anyone have, or tried one of these? A .30-30 in this seems most interesting.

Dalgo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2012, 07:02:24 AM »

I didn't see any raving reviews on the EABCO product. The best I could glean from it was "interesting." I like the .30-30 in a single-shot. Can bring out a lot in that caliber. But wasn't impressed by the 97 at all.

Frank46 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2012, 04:26:01 PM »

Darn now will have to dig that issue and see what you are talking about. I think that the 30-30 is a very underrated cartridge. Witness the various 788's and savage 340's in that caliber especially the 788. think the only limiting factor is the brass. Did try to take the 375 win case down to 30-30 once. Not too difficult and would give you a stronger case but maybe with a smaller powder capacity. But would maybe require neck turning as the case is of heavier construction. Frank

Brithunter · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2012, 06:59:51 PM »

Quote from: Frank46 on June 11, 2012, 04:26:01 PM

Darn now will have to dig that issue and see what you are talking about. I think that the 30-30 is a very underrated cartridge. Witness the various 788's and savage 340's in that caliber especially the 788. think the only limiting factor is the brass. Did try to take the 375 win case down to 30-30 once. Not too difficult and would give you a stronger case but maybe with a smaller powder capacity. But would maybe require neck turning as the case is of heavier construction. Frank

Ahhh Frank,

Use modern 30-30 brass and there is NO problem with stepping up the performance of the ole 30-30. back in about 99 Petersen's Rifle Shooter did an article on just such a thing. It was called :-

Soup up your 30-30

Several years later I stumbled across a bespoke built bolt action in yes .......................... 30-30 Winchester so dug the article out, knew there was a reason to keep it

, and re-read it. Looked in the powder store and found a tin of H335 which they used and went out and brought some Hornady 130 Grn SP bullets and set to. Action strength is not an issue with this rifle as if the original customer had not ordered it in 30-30 the action would have been built up as a .243 or .308.

Their load gives about 2800 fps out of my rifle and excellent grouping and it's a very good performer on our deer. Despite loading with the Winchester brass at these elevated pressure I have yet to lose a case through failure of stress showing.

If the rifle itself can take the pressure of say a .243 then if it were barrelled and chambered in 30-30 the brass will be fine.

mannyrock · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:26:31 AM »

Could Brown have possibly made the rifle any uglier? It hurts my eyes.

What's with the two colors of metal. Did he think it looks good? Should have asked his wife first! :-)

Mannyrock

Swampman · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:49:52 AM »

It's not pretty and it seems very much like an Encore.

swifty22 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2012, 12:25:19 PM »

Have one in an HMR, Absolutely love it!. It is easily a 3/4' gun @100yds and generally under 2" @ 200 with any ammo, even mixed brands and weights, a true sign of a well made and designed rifle. have had it about 6 years with a 4x12 Vari X III and have shot several thousand ground squirrels with it. Most days I'll get 48 to 50 per box of ammo. I have 2 contenders and an Encore, finish is not even close to the Brown nor is accuracy. It is a true falling block with a Schilen Bbl. Stock fit is the best with the scope block installed at the factory (Weaver style base). I can't say enough good about it. I'm sure glad I bought mine a few years ago when it was 7+ bills as they are now nearer 1300 clams. My buddy's Anchutz shoots about as well but larger mixed ammo/wt. groups and it was again 6+ a few years ago. You do get what you pay for as I have seen several HMR Savage's and Marlin's go south for various reasons (generally triggers and extractors broken) on the Montana gopher fields leaving the owners high and dry as in no shooting, sometime it was good for me as they still had ammo when I was low! - Muddy

Swampman · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2012, 01:17:28 PM »

The magazine article says $999.00.

swifty22 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2012, 11:12:06 AM »

Swamp, Standard model (7 calibers only) $999, built to order $1,350 (mine was. I had upgraded wood, french gray and a little engraving done), This is from the EABCO site right now and remember there is shipping, ins, and FFL fees to add.-Muddy.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2012, 12:53:12 PM »

It's growing on me. I don't like that gold spacer between the receiver and the buttstock.

swifty22 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2012, 01:45:19 PM »

Swamp, You don't have to have the brass transition piece, mine is black. You can order it any way you like, I have always had a hankern' for a 25-35 every since I got mine. However the 6.8 SPC might make a really good white tail rifle w/a longer barrel. One thing that you must remember is that it is about as strong as a Contender and takes ctgs. of similar size/pressure, no 300 Win Mags! But why would you want one in a light single shot, one shot in the right place. My buddy's in MT shooting gophers are 10-22 nuts (which also go south and most have gone to Volquartzen's at a grand or 2 so....). I keep shootin my 97-D and the goph's just die one at a time, I was never an auto guy, guess it's cause I was a college small bore shooter and like to watch the look on their little faces when a bullet comes for them. Anyway save your pennies it's a great rifle-Muddy

Cheesehead · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2012, 01:46:10 PM »

A "souped up" 30-30 could eventually end up in an old lever action and......

Cheese

Brithunter · « **Reply #13 on:** June 20, 2012, 11:20:06 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on June 20, 2012, 01:46:10 PM

A "souped up" 30-30 could eventually end up in an old lever action and......

Cheese

How many people shoot pointed bullets in a lever action?

Now saying that I do not know what happened to a couple of part boxes of my souped up hand loads as one day whilst clearing my stuff away from the range the two boxes sitting on the bench top vanished. Some light fingered toe-rag nicked them. I reported the theft to the range office who tried laying the law down about over loaded ammunition.

I was not putting up with thier bull so I went to the car got my 30-30 rifle and showed it to them. of course none of them had seen such a rifle. It's the only one built and of course from the outside until one examines the proof marks it appears to be a normal bolt action rilfe one would find chambered in .243, .260, .308 so the rifle can handle this pressure plus more.

I then pointed out that if those toe-rags had not stolen the boxes of ammunition off the bench while my back was turned then there would not be an issue. one can hope that the ammunition did in fact damage their rifle/s. Thieves deserve no better!

I would read the article again and post the warning Petersens published in it but I don't have access to it right now as that was one of the strange things the plods took into custody.. must be a very dangerous paper magazine that one along with Ackley's handbook Vol 2.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2012, 01:22:23 AM »

They would not have to be pointed bullets, would they?

Cheese

cwlongshot · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:10:06 AM »

One of my favorite magazines! (Along with Handloader) I have had a subscription to them for over twenty years!!

I don't always agree but the stories for the most part are well written and photography is good!

CW

mannyrock · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:43:18 AM »

I would never bother reloading the .30-30. The LeverEvolution rounds give you the same power as a .300 Savage, and that's more than enough.

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2012, 11:30:54 AM »

The Remington Core-Lokts at $15.00 a box are better.

Dalgo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2012, 03:45:46 AM »

For that kind of money, buy a strong Ruger No. 1 in .30-30 (excellent caliber), and not one with an aluminum "transition" piece that can't take higher pressures.

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2012, 04:35:46 AM »

If the #1s were accurate, that would be a good plan.

swifty22 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:35:39 AM »

Dalgo. The "transition piece" is between the stock and the falling block action it has NOTHING to do with the strength of the steel action-Muddy

Dalgo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2012, 02:26:58 AM »

Swifty 22, you are right. I misspoke. The aluminum piece has nothing to do with the pressure the action can take (which is not designed for high pressure rounds). But, It is a weak point on the gun as it is a screw-on piece, and it looks cheesy (of course that part is just me, and others might really like it like that-beauty is in the eye of the beholder). I feel the gun would be stronger as a one-piece. Also in the pictures, the metal to metal, and wood to metal fit could be better. This is just my personal take on the gun, and I just feel one could do better for that kind of money.

Dalgo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2012, 02:33:06 AM »

Swampman, I just bought a No. 1 in .204 Ruger. I am getting 3/4" groups with Hornady 40gr. Not too bad at all out of the box, but for that caliber I would like tighter groups. However, the trigger pull although crisp, is at 4 1/2 lbs. I'm getting it worked on as I write this. I'm hoping that with the trigger at 2 1/2 lbs my groups will be better. Also will put a larger magnification scope. I think that will help a lot, also. Even so, 3/4" groups aren't bad at all! (just not for little critters, lol). It is an accurate gun. Anyway, this isn't a post about Ruger No. 1s. I will say that the 97D is a lighter gun compared to the Ruger - especially the 1-B. I guess my tastes run more in the Luxus 11, vein. Just wish my wallet was a little fatter to be able to get one right now. Have to wait on that, lol. Cheers,