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Offline Jason F

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rebore on a 38-55
« on: June 22, 2012, 03:04:04 PM »
just picked up another 38-55 , with the 28" barrel what would be a good chambering for a rebore, i was thinking 405 win. , maybe something in .416, or 444
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 03:18:30 PM »
You could go with a 44 Bodeen, but you would have to buy a license agreement. ::)
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM »
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 12:34:49 AM »
405 win or a 416 cal. Since I had a 405 win I decided to go with the 416 Taylor. The big case and the 28" barrel let me use a slow burning powder and made a nice shooting gun. Since you don't have a 405 win it would be faster and cheaper to get JES to make it for you. You wouldn't have to change the ejector to a rimless.
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 12:42:57 AM »
Quote from: gendoc on June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D

John... (Insert head shaking, smiley here)  ::)  ;)

Jason,
 The 405 would be my choice. Timmy has one, IIRC it was also form a 38/55.

Teddy called it "Big Medicine" a 40 cal, 300g bullet at 2400+fps...I agree with him...

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 12:50:58 AM »
Quote from: gendoc on June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D

Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got.  ::) ;D ;)
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 01:02:41 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on June 23, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: gendoc on June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D

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Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got.  ::) ;D ;)

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Jason,
 Just to point out the obvious.. Two of your three choices are rimmed.... ::)

Don't hate the rim, we don't have to have a one side or the other decision...  Go with WHAT EVER caliber "does it" for you. Rimmed or rimless...

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 03:26:43 AM »
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 05:03:01 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on June 23, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: gendoc on June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D

Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got.  ::) ;D ;)

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I will take all those awful, inaccurate rimmed guns off your hands, since they do not shoot worth a darn. Yep, I will take them all and leave you the 30 carbine, 308, Whelen front loaders and shotguns...wait, the shotguns have rims too.
 
Seriously - If you are having issues with your rimmed cases, do not load them so heavy and then neck size them so they head space on the shoulder.....OR  you can adjust your dies so it just bumps back the shoulder enough to chamber, so it still head spaces off the shoulder. Of course you can not do that with a straight case, you are stuck shooting them straight up, but if you do not have a rim, you need to head space off the case mouth. Head spacing off the mouth, does not make your most accurate loads.
 
Rimless or rimmed, should not make any difference in accuracy. I happen to prefer a rimmed case for a single shot, break action gun but am not opposed to a rimless case. More than likely, if it were not that rimmed cases have trouble functioning reliably in bolt actions and semi/auto actions we would not have rimless cases at all. The rimmed case is stronger in the head section due to more brass there and extraction is easier to handle, but they donot funtion in bolts and certainly not auto actions very well.
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 05:57:01 AM »
Just for consideration, I would think that a 300gr. .380ish dia projectile at 2400fps would also be 'big medicine', even though I know it isnt what you want.
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 06:33:58 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on June 23, 2012, 05:57:01 AM
Just for consideration, I would think that a 300gr. .380ish dia projectile at 2400fps would also be 'big medicine', even though I know it isnt what you want.

38-72 will do 2400fps I believe if you can find/buy/borrow a reamer, no one rents it.  ;)

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 06:47:06 AM »
Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 23, 2012, 05:03:01 AM
Quote from: Jason F on June 23, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: gendoc on June 22, 2012, 10:15:57 PM
ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D

Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got.  ::) ;D ;)

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I will take all those awful, inaccurate rimmed guns off your hands, since they do not shoot worth a darn. Yep, I will take them all and leave you the 30 carbine, 308, Whelen front loaders and shotguns...wait, the shotguns have rims too.
 
Seriously - If you are having issues with your rimmed cases, do not load them so heavy and then neck size them so they head space on the shoulder.....OR  you can adjust your dies so it just bumps back the shoulder enough to chamber, so it still head spaces off the shoulder. Of course you can not do that with a straight case, you are stuck shooting them straight up, but if you do not have a rim, you need to head space off the case mouth. Head spacing off the mouth, does not make your most accurate loads.
 
Rimless or rimmed, should not make any difference in accuracy. I happen to prefer a rimmed case for a single shot, break action gun but am not opposed to a rimless case. More than likely, if it were not that rimmed cases have trouble functioning reliably in bolt actions and semi/auto actions we would not have rimless cases at all. The rimmed case is stronger in the head section due to more brass there and extraction is easier to handle, but they donot funtion in bolts and certainly not auto actions very well.
 
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who said anathang bout problums wif rims or hate rims.... ?? ::)
first off, infin i hada prollum wif any shooter, it would be gone !!!!   and theni might just donate it to
ya fora gud cause..............cause itsa POS !!
all my handies shoot jus like i wannum too, rim or less
an i bet jason will agree to that with his heard.
fora short-cut......no diffence in accuracy rim or less, as long asya know what yur do'n.
i jus figur that i'd go less witha re-bore he mentioned.
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 07:04:00 AM »
I didnt say i dont like rimmed handi's i have a bunch of them. But my rimless shoot just as good as they do ,even my whelen is hassle free
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 07:06:15 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on June 23, 2012, 07:04:00 AM
I didnt say i dont like rimmed handi's i have a bunch of them. But my rimless shoot just as good as they do, even my whelen is hassle free
;D 8)   roger on tha whelen !!!!!!!!!! fantastic and reliable shooter ;)
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hey boy, hit this mason jar one time...
burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2012, 07:50:49 AM »
"ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D" -  gendoc   ....... and a rimmed would not; just finishing the thought - evidently wrongly
"Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got" - Jason F ..... And the rimmed are not good shooters - again not said, but that was the impression I got.
Sorry, I got the wrong impression, I just thought that if it had to be rimless there was a problem with the rimmed cases and I was just trying to be helpful. I am glad to hear that niether of you  have any problems with the rimmed cases
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 09:53:33 AM »
Six o' one, half dozen o' the tother..........
Im sure glad we dont get to puttin' on the gloves and comin' outta the corner here like they do on some other forums!  ;)
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em......... ;D
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 10:12:24 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on June 23, 2012, 09:53:33 AM
Six o' one, half dozen o' the tother..........
Im sure glad we dont get to puttin' on the gloves and comin' outta the corner here like they do on some other forums!  ;)
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em......... ;D
i agree........an i quit smoken 2/11 col-turkey after 48 years............... 8)
but i still gotha urge ::) ta lite one up ina heartbeat............. my doc friend says  "they ain't hurt ya one bit, an u been go' down hill eva since ya quit " :o  so W..T..F !!!!!!!!!!!!
ifin it wernt for $5 a pack, i'd be back at it... i thank.... naw !!! i wipped it !!! no go'n back !!!!
i'm way better'n that ;D  but i can still raisehell witha bestov'um ;)
long asi can resort to my squeezen's....... "i'll be allkinda gud"   says maw-maw... and thatsa all
that matters to me anywho............ 8)  cept pay'n tention ta what i'ma read'n............ ::)
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 10:13:32 AM »
Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 23, 2012, 07:50:49 AM
"ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D" -  gendoc   ....... and a rimmed would not; just finishing the thought - evidently wrongly
"Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got" - Jason F ..... And the rimmed are not good shooters - again not said, but that was the impression I got.

Your not alone... Apparently I miss read too... ::)

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 10:19:47 AM »
Quote from: cwlongshot on June 23, 2012, 10:13:32 AM
Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 23, 2012, 07:50:49 AM
"ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D" -  gendoc   ....... and a rimmed would not; just finishing the thought - evidently wrongly
"Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got" - Jason F ..... And the rimmed are not good shooters - again not said, but that was the impression I got.

Your not alone... Apparently I miss read too... ::)

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was there anything stated not understandable ??
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in tha meen time, i'm wait'n for tha  7th trumpet ta sound !!!

gotta big green tractor ana diesel truck, my idea of heaven's chasin whitetail bucks and asa country boy, you know i can survive............

hey boy, hit this mason jar one time...
burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 10:27:31 AM »
Quote from: gendoc on June 23, 2012, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: cwlongshot on June 23, 2012, 10:13:32 AM
Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 23, 2012, 07:50:49 AM
"ANATHANG RIMLESS WUD BEA DANDY............... ;D" -  gendoc   ....... and a rimmed would not; just finishing the thought - evidently wrongly
"Rimless is a must,those are the best shooters i got" - Jason F ..... And the rimmed are not good shooters - again not said, but that was the impression I got.

Your not alone... Apparently I miss read too... ::)

CW

was there anything stated not understandable ??

NOPE,

Message received loud and clear. ;) The line has been drawn....  ;D

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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 11:00:39 AM »
Doc, keep the smoke comin' outta the muzzle and it'll be gud  ;) , we wan ya 'round another 48.
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2012, 11:14:43 AM »
hey gcrank... i plan on it, so i can be with my boy when he comes home.
i have promised him that, and i'll keep that promise like he did with me in 1985.
all else is just "flash an tha pan"  i'd like to quote jamey johnson on this one...

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But you can't see what those shades
Of gray keep covered,
You should have seen it in color" ;D
 
 
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM »
I am out of here :(


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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2012, 11:33:41 AM »
405 win  without a dout


wouldn't give the others another thought


have a twist rate  most suitable for cast bullits


my 45-70 and 444 marlin might be  little overkill
357 seems a little small


405 win seems perfect....[got to admit never shot 405 or kill with the others]
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Re: rebore on a 38-55
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2012, 11:43:26 AM »
tha "others" mite be worth tha test....... ;D
with the correct research, quite a few would be exceptionally adequate.
example...  .458 socom, since rebore is mentioned.............. ;D
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