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Offline FAsmus

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Should I remove the transfer bar in my Blac
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2003, 02:15:33 PM »
Butler,

B: I just did something I've never tried before, I used a dial caliper to measure my trigger travel, one was.. .. I guess I'm just not experiencing the creep and travel you are, or I'm just so insensitive, that I'm not noticing it.

F: I'm a bit spoiled from shooting set-trigger rifles a good share of the time and a well-tuned old Mark I as well.

I'll measure the creep of the trigger on the Blackhawk in question and post for comparison.

Good evening,
Forrest

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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2003, 06:02:52 AM »
I don't know if you've seen this before, but some folks believe in it:  http://www.gunblast.com/Poorboy.htm   I don't know if there are any bad after effects from doing it or not.

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« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2003, 06:12:58 AM »
jbr;

Thanks for the site.

I went there and read it over. The springs from Wolff have done the job for my pistol but all data is good.

Good morning,
Forrest

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« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2003, 06:28:43 AM »
jbr

Yep, I've seen that before.  I tried all of it.  It does work to some extent, especially with a new or little used gun.  I even put a bit of lapping compound on the trigger and sear,  it does help, but not quite as much as a take apart polishing of the trigger and hammer.  I tried the cutting of the coils, but the retempering and lengthening of the spring got to be a nusiance, and I finally cut the spring enough that it didn't work reliably, so when I replaced them, I replaced them with the Wolff spring pack.  3 different rate springs for 10 bucks, I figured I could afford to experiment some.  As to the trigger spring, I'll admit that it could be entirely psychological, it just didn't "feel" right.
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2003, 01:56:09 AM »
Butler,

F: I measured the creep of the trigger on the Blackhawk in question just now and it is 0.040..

If I measure from the very end of the trigger it is more like 0.050! Talk about a creepy critter.

Next, the shim!

Good morning,
Forrest

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2004, 01:48:00 PM »
I don't say I recommend removing the transfer bar but it is a common occurance in Cowboy Action Shooting. In fact one of the more reputable cas gunsmiths maintains that you can't get decent groups  with the transfer bar in place.  I don't agree because my Vaqueros shoot great groups and they still have the bars..

I know many CAS shooters wose Rugers have had the bars removed.   Since CAS rules say that all guns must be loaded with an empty chammber under the hammer there really isn't any danger.  In my opinion you shouldn't load any single action with a round under the hammer because it's a bad habit.
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2004, 10:38:16 AM »
I don't think the transfer bar has much to do with how the trigger pull feels, however, it the bar is a little too short it can drop back out of the way before the hammer hits the firing pin. I had such a gun once, (took me a while to figure out why it was misfiring) so I got the tip of the transfer bar red hot, and forged it out a bit longer. I did a trigger/sear job at the same time, and it now has a perfect, creep free, light trigger pull.
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2004, 01:04:36 PM »
The Pistoleer,

P: I don't say I recommend removing the transfer bar but it is a common occurance in Cowboy Action Shooting. In fact one of the more reputable cas gunsmiths maintains that you can't get decent groups  with the transfer bar in place..

F: The transfer bar system depends on the trigger remaining in place (motionless) after the sear is released. If a trigger is adjusted to the place where the sear releases without any creep and with a nice light pull it is possible for the trigger spring to move the trigger forward after the release of the sear. This will cause the tranfer bar to move out of position before hammer-fall and a miss fire will result.

I know this is possible because it happened to me and my Ruger New Blackhawk.

Ruger, if you send the pistol back to them, will adjust the trigger pull and trigger spring to their production standards.. These standards seem to include heavy, creepy triggers because  :evil:  the trigger (in their view) needs that sort of pull in order to guarentee that you'll pull in over-travel after sear release and insure that the tranfer bar is there to complete the firing sequence. Yuk!

Thus, the original question I posed to the forum. I thank you all for the various ppoints of view concerning this kind of trigger system.

For now, my Blackhawk retains its transfer bar. I am currently slowly reducing the pull and creep in my pistol, trying to find the "ideal" compromize of good trigger pull/transfer bar malfunction.

Good evening,
Forrest

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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2004, 11:12:29 AM »
FOR RUGER SAA: You want a Halfcock Hammer & Trigger Kit so you can hear and feel 3 positive clicks? How about a 2.5 - 3 pound trigger pull? How about a Free Spin Pawl so you can rotate the cylinder in either direction? How about a better feeling grip like the Colt Grip? Then wait no longer. Here you go.

Heck, I might even breakdown and buy a Ruger.

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« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2004, 01:02:02 AM »
no way would i do that to my ruger blackhawk.i just took off the crips and losen one side of the spring then put back together.it won't hurt athing .try that and see if that don't help.of not then buy a spring.i did it my ruger blackhawk it shoot just fine .
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« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2004, 01:32:13 AM »
forgot to tell you the spring on the hammer just left it off it at the bottom of the hammer.
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