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Offline bersa380

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45-70 BC short throat
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:30:22 AM »
Just started reloading for my buffalo classic using a 405gr lead flat point from Gardner's cache. Over 28grs of accurate 5744. CCI primers and starline brass. My question is at 2.550 OAL it is too long and setting the bullet back to 2.530. I loaded some up to an OAL of 2.525 and they chamber and eject fine. Is this safe? Both of my books say not to go under 2.550. Do I need to ream the throat deeper? Or can I just seat to 2.525?

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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 01:52:44 PM »
To be sure of your chamber, do a creosafe casting, it will tell you where to seat at. 26-t

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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 03:15:45 PM »
If you are using book loads based on the book's OAL, remember that pressures will increase when you seat deeper.  Not a problem if you work up, just don't start too high!  My BC was short throated, but I fixed that so I could shoot the bigger bullets. 
 
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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 03:55:00 PM »
Is it a pretty simple fix? Something can be done with hand tools?

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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 04:23:48 PM »
Very easy.  Do some on-line research, read the FAQ's thread, take a cerro-safe casting before and go slow with the throater.

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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 05:59:45 PM »
i just throated mine so it will take a 500+ grain  paper patch bullet. using the throater from here

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45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 09:50:34 PM »
PM this forums moderator. He keeps up with the reamers.
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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 10:16:28 PM »
I wouldn't throat it if your gonna load the 405 and nothing bigger,load it into the rifling and work your loads up.  I shoot the 405 rnhb loaded into rhe rifling with 14 grains unique and it shoots 2" groups at 100. No recoil and you can shoot it all day.
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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 06:26:15 AM »
i just seat my bulliits deeper


top end of trap door loads is all the fun i want any way
and  i don't like ''air space'' in a case if avoidable


thats just me.....i prefer it like it is
but  if MUCH MORE power is desirable the short throat might not be welcome




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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 06:31:29 AM »
Thanks for all of the information guys. Lots of reading for me to do. I don't plan loading much over trapdoor levels. I bought one box of hornady 325gr leverevolution rounds and the recoil was very unpleasant when shooting off the bench. Although replacing the crescent steel butt plate with something softer would probably make a big difference.

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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 08:27:06 AM »
The OAL thing is really for repeaters unless you are loading all the way up to max case capacity for a bulky powder. If you stay in 'middle' of data there will be no pressure issues due to seating the bullet a tad deeper. The only powders I use that completely fill the case are Black and TrailBoss, all my other smokeless powders leave an air gap within, at least at the power levels I can stand. Your real max length is governed more by the bullet's ojive, that is, not all bullets of a given weight have the same nose shape. A long, more tapered ojive will clear the rifling whereas your bullet bumps it and wants to seat in farther.
If you 'must' crimp and the bullet is too deep for the mouth to meet the case rim, just trim the cases shorter to make them match.
FWIW, if the case neck tension is enough to hold the bullet from pulling out easily, there is really no need for a crimp in a single shot rifle, unless you have proven without a doubt that your combination of components shoots better groups with a given amount of crimp (a long a tedious process to do properly, but some like doing it). For me, I experiment until I get what is good enough for me and then just keep duplicating it  ;D .
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Re: 45-70 BC short throat
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 03:31:05 PM »
Or just leave the chamber alone and shoot 300 grain bullets. That is all I shoot and I have never recovered a bullet from an animal yet. Clear pass throughs.
 
 
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