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Offline Dogmann

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Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« on: May 08, 2012, 05:02:04 PM »
What can you guys tell me about a Browning made Hawken  mountain rifle-50.cal...

Value
Any good
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 01:17:59 AM »
Only one I ever saw was in the $800 range and was nicely done,only made them a short time.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 09:02:16 AM »
The rifle was made as a centennial celebration limited issue in the mid 70's.

 They had two models, one trimmed in brass and the other in browned steel.
I don't think they ever called it a Hawken,, it's always been a Mountain Rifle.
 
At first people felt it was just a knock off that was simply a mix of assorted parts and wouldn't amount to anything. Very shortly they where found to have tack driving accuracy and surprisingly reliable.
 
 Because of the limited issue, the Rilfes today command high prices, lowest I've seen was $600 and as high as $1600 for mint in the box with papers,
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2012, 01:07:34 PM »
Buy it!
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2012, 02:40:20 PM »
I owned a .50 and a .54.  Neither were very accurate.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 02:42:04 PM »
Really!?????.....

Quote from: Swampman on May 10, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
I owned a .50 and a .54.  Neither were very accurate.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 11:41:18 PM »
Really and I tried everything.  I've seen others post the same thing.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 06:48:37 PM »
Don't pay any attention to Swampgas Dogmann. The Browning " mountain rifle" is a great gun as is most anything Browning puts its name on.  :).

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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 06:55:00 PM »
can i get an "Amen"?
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 10:29:06 PM »
I'd say that's clearly not the case with Browning products but may have been at on time.  Browning didn't even make these rifles.  They were pretty but they were poor shooters.  I've probably seen 100 post that said the same thing about them.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 12:23:04 AM »
Browning does not make (mfg.) anything. But they require whoever does to meet their strict mfg. specs. Before they will put their name on the product.  :o Dogmann take a  count on the posts on this thread and you will see one person who is trolling here. Then count how many speak well of the Browning mountain rifle.
You do the math...

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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2012, 01:46:04 AM »
I have more experience than anyone else here with muzzleloaders.  I owned 2 (make that 3) of these rifles.  Two were the browned steel .50 caliber versions and one was a brass mounted .54.  Others may blow smoke up your dress but I will tell you the truth based on personal experience and careful research.  What you choose to do with the truth is up to you.  They quit making them because they were expensive an not very accurate.  They are pretty but not very historically accurate either.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2012, 03:12:26 AM »
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2012, 06:24:44 AM »
The 13" group at 50 yards sounds about normal.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2012, 06:45:00 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on August 07, 2012, 01:46:04 AM
I have more experience than anyone else here with muzzleloaders. 

How do you know??? :)
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2012, 07:10:06 AM »
I've been building, shooting, and collecting muzzleloaders for over 35 years.  I've worked with and owned guns built by some of the best in the country.  I've hunted with and built almost every type of muzzleloader commonly available including inlines.  I've attended hundreds of matches and living history events with the very best living historians in the country.  I've done thousands of hours of research on original and reproduction muzzleloading firearms.  I've made and sold bags, horns, clothing, and every item that is connected with muzzleloading firearms.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 07:25:32 AM »
 ::) :-X I just wanted to know about this rifle.... this topic has gotten out of hand and off subject&topic.... Thank you to those that helped answer my question and cause more questions to be asked. Thanks again!.... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2012, 08:48:17 AM »
Here's a discussion on it with several pics and some personal experiences shared.

Tim

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=230055
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2012, 08:54:24 AM »
Quote from: pastorp on August 06, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Don't pay any attention to Swampgas Dogmann. The Browning " mountain rifle" is a great gun as is most anything Browning puts its name on.  :) .

Regards,

I wish that was true , check out the SALT treated wood they used on gun stocks . I had an O/U that went back to the factory 3 times before it would fire the second bbl. It took almost 11 mos. to get fixed.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2012, 02:34:53 PM »
I once believed that the Browning mountain rifle was the ultimate muzzleloader.  I never got the chance to buy one, but from all I've heard, it was a piece of crap.  Much better to spend the extra dollars and by a hand made Hawken, or one of the Italian offerings.  Consider ther reason why the Jonathan Browning Mountain Rifle lived such a short life.  It was Chinese junk. 
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2012, 03:12:45 PM »
The BMR barrel is marked Made in USA, scroll down to reply #19.

Tim

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=230055

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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2012, 03:36:00 AM »
Made in Utah I believe.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2012, 03:20:46 AM »
What does Browning make in house ? They seem to contract most projects . Often parts are made one place and assymbled another. 
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2012, 08:02:53 AM »
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2012, 12:22:45 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on August 07, 2012, 01:46:04 AM
I have more experience than anyone else here with muzzleloaders.
Wow,  :o
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2012, 01:08:03 PM »
I'm just sayin', and it don't bother me to say it.
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Re: Browning Blackpowder Hawken
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2012, 03:19:06 PM »
Quote from: Mike in Virginia on August 07, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
I once believed that the Browning mountain rifle was the ultimate muzzleloader.  I never got the chance to buy one, but from all I've heard, it was a piece of crap.  Much better to spend the extra dollars and by a hand made Hawken, or one of the Italian offerings.  Consider ther reason why the Jonathan Browning Mountain Rifle lived such a short life.  It was Chinese junk.

I looked at them when they were new, never bought one...
 
I knew enough about muzzleloaders from building them and examining originals that I wasn't impressed...Can't imagine anyone that really knew muzzleloaders buying one..... :)
 
I don't know much, I've only been shooting and making flintlocks since the early 70s...
 
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