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Offline jamaldog87

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Whetstone questions
« on: September 24, 2012, 01:29:04 PM »
I have been sharping my machetes and some other stuff but I am trying to become better with a stone and so I have some questions.

1.       In outdoor life they said that you can use a Half dollar coin as angle guide to get the 17 degree angle needed for most knife, is this true?
 
2.       I hear that for symmetrical edge, you sharpen the knife by dragging it across the stone in the opposite direction you would move it to slice a thin layer off the stone. How do you know if you have a symmetrical edge knife?
 
3.       I been sharping my kukri knife(used a file  to put a edge  and stone to finish it out)  and it sharp enough to cut rags and stuff like my hand  with a pulling cuts but it can’t cut 1gallon jugs like a sword  like when I 1st sharpen it. Can you make a blade less sharp by over sharping a blade?
Ok I guess that it. I know about the dish soap and water thing and I can get a razor sharp on something’s (like machetes and axes) so I guess I am doing something right.
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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 05:49:07 PM »
I suspect you'll need to find a half dollar and give it a try yourself.  No one else seems to have tried that, including me.  Come to think of it, I haven't even seen a half dollar coin in years.
As far as your second question goes, I think you may mean convex edge rather than symmetrical.  Convex edges are formed by stropping the edge backwards on a stone.  As far as how you know it looks convex...well if takes a rounded form and your sharp edge bevel line sort of goes away, it's convex. 

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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 11:52:15 PM »
      I have a tool made by Buck that clamps on the blade to hold the proper angle. Lot easier than useing a coin. Problem is it doesn't work on small blades. Other than that it works great on most of my knives.

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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 04:45:11 AM »
      I have a tool made by Buck that clamps on the blade to hold the proper angle. Lot easier than useing a coin. Problem is it doesn't work on small blades. Other than that it works great on most of my knives.

I have one of those, and two ( one for large and one for small) made by razor's edge.

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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 06:54:46 AM »
      PFH, Where did you get the small one?  Sure would like one.

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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 08:38:03 AM »
      PFH, Where did you get the small one?  Sure would like one.

It has been years since I bought it.....I got it from Razors Edge. Co.

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Re: Whetstone questions
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
If I were you I would get a 4' angle grinder with a sander attachment. Figure a way to clamp that corn knife to the workbench top. Now get to work on that edge. omething like 600 grit paper will be for a pretty fine edge. I would see about some 400 grit. You need to concentrate on hitting that edge with a consistant angle every time you hit it ( and that my friend is where you are not doing your end of the work, I'm fairly lousy free hand too ) . Go easy as you can over heat the steel and remove the temper.
 
As far as the differences in edge think of the shape of an axe bevel. You cannot lay a straight edge from the edge to the beef of the axe. It is a compound curve. I have seen people use sand paper on a mouse pad and drag the edge "backwards " to get the desired results. The idea is to have a lot of material making up the edge for increased strength. At the same time you have removed some material from the blade so it can move through the work easily. Imagine starting with a 17 degree bevel, giving you that edge you want. Now go over the whole thing with a 25 degree angle, and finally going over it at a 30 degree angle. The leading edge is not quite as sharp but it has more strength, not only that but the steel behind that edge is a bit thinner than it would be were it all at 30 degrees, and is "out of the way" allowing the knife to slice with less effort. It may not be as technicly sharp, but it cuts and feels easier to use. Way back in the day everything was sharpened by hand and was an art this sort of bevel was common. Concave edges cannot really be duplicated with a machine as a straight bevel can be done. Now days a concave beveled knife is pretty rare as hand work is very expensive.
 
Check out Falkniven knives it seems they have a pretty good piece on the details, and pictures do wonders.
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