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Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« on: August 25, 2012, 10:57:12 AM »
http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Could-a-licensed-concealed-gun-carrier-stop-a-3810053.php#ixzz24Y06Yii3
 
 
Good article. Most all mass murders occur where guns are outlawed. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2012, 01:05:03 AM »
Yes, I believe a licensed and armed ccw could have prevented much of that tradegy, possibly all of it.  I also believe that the mass shooting of innocent bystanders in nyc by nyc police could have been prevented by just one armed ccw holder (who would probably have been shot dead byresponding nyc cops).  when one man, armed with a 1911 (45 acp) shot another 5 times and then walked away.  The shooter was followed by a construction worker who pointed him out to two nyc 'dead eye dicks' who proceeded to shoot both the murderer, as well as 9 innocent bystanders (do they count the hits??).  mayor Bloomberg was on the news decrying gun violence, but is far too full of his own crap and is far too removed from the reality of the real world, not nyc, and made the mistake about spouting off on who shot all the innocent bystanders before he even knew what he was talking about.  I firmly believe one licensed and armed ccw holder could have prevented the police shootings  those 9 innocent victims in nyc.
The way the newspapers and bloomberg cited the incident it looked like the murderer used a 7 shot pistol to kill one and wound 9 people before the cops got in on it.  I don't know who I would sue faster, the construction worker who pointed out the murderer to the deadly accurate cops for wounding 9 innocent bystanders while shooting at one man ( do they count the hits or just chalk it up to collateral damage??), or the cops. 
Geez, a armed and licensed ccw holder could have popped the guy once and it would have been almost all over, except for when the nyc cops would have come rushing in shooting up the entire city block.  Truly though, I am glad all the innocent were only wounded - I don't think I would have wanted to be in uniform if one of those cops had shot a kid, or a pregnant mother or a infant. 
I don't understand what it is with the nyc cops.  First it was Amado Dialo, a unarmed man shot 19 times (41 rounds expended) in the doorway of a apartment building; then it was another guy, at his bachelor party, trying to pull his car out of a tight parking spot - shot at point blank range, multiple times with one of the cops pausing to reload only once (but the witness in the back seat lived to tell the story and now you don't hear squat about it any more - how many rounds did that gang of cops use on that driver??; and now this.  I can well understand why guns should be banned in nyc - if this kind of nyc crap continues it won't be long before all the innocent are wounded or dead and the only ones left with be the cops and the bad guys.  Hmmm, maybe that's the way the cops want it - that way they won't have to worry about shooting any innocent people.......
Now it's gettin' closer to huntin' season when we upstate hunters have to deal with loudmouthed and usually drunk nyc cops who pack their heat where-ever and whenever they go anywhere and boast there is nothing we can do about it - hell, we just call the State Troopers who roust those idiots very effectively. 
Yes, I beleive one armed ccw holder could easily have prevented both these tradegies. 

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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2012, 08:33:37 PM »
The real answer is "Maybe, maybe not.  Depends on a lot of things."  That said, having armed honest citizens in each case would have helped to level the field.  And, we have seen in the past that an armed citizen on the spot "may" be able to react fast enough, and accurately enough, to stop the threat. 

I don't think there have been any cases where an armed citizen trying to stop a thug has made the situation worse.
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 05:50:14 AM »
In CO, the shooter was wearing body armor and riot gear, IIRC.   Not much a ccw holder would be able to do except trying to get a leg shot, and hope to disrupt the shooter's blood supply through femoral artery.

However, if a ccw holder did shoot the assassin, the panicking sheeple will cry to the LEOs that there was a second shooter because they, the  GDP (generally dumb public) , have no common sense.

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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 07:04:03 AM »
Another question that will never be ansewered is how many have they already stopped just because there was a good chance people were armed.
 
What we need is a speical lic. ( note a lic to be a PI in many states extend where and when you can carry) that allows people to go take speical training and test so they can carry more places like school etc.
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 10:06:30 PM »
In CO, the shooter was wearing body armor and riot gear, IIRC.   Not much a ccw holder would be able to do except trying to get a leg shot, and hope to disrupt the shooter's blood supply through femoral artery.

However, if a ccw holder did shoot the assassin, the panicking sheeple will cry to the LEOs that there was a second shooter because they, the  GDP (generally dumb public) , have no common sense.

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The "body armor" was just a "tactical vest."  Basically, a black nylon hunting vest - lots of pockets and loops.  No protection.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 11:35:17 PM »
  I believe this question..to intellectually honest people...has been settled.  American Rifleman & American hunter have a full page of incidents every month, where the "Armed citizen" saves lives (sometimes many) by virtue of being armed.
  Check the 3 incidents below... The first one is a particularly good read, since it could happen to you or me:
 
   http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDVBWcBy2g
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 07:25:55 AM »
  I believe this question..to intellectually honest people...has been settled.  American Rifleman & American hunter have a full page of incidents every month, where the "Armed citizen" saves lives (sometimes many) by virtue of being armed.
  Check the 3 incidents below... The first one is a particularly good read, since it could happen to you or me:
 
   http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDVBWcBy2g

The man in that first link is a hero! One of the ways you can tell is that HE doesn't think he's a hero!
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 08:58:38 AM »
Sure it happens all the time...
 
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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 05:51:26 PM »
Sure can.  Happened recently here in Freakville....


 Customer kills gunman during Jacksonville robbery attemptCustomer's wife: 'I left him a little grocery list this morning.'Posted: August 28, 2012 - 12:39am  |  Updated: August 29, 2012 - 6:40am
By Clifford Davis               A 57-year-old Jacksonville grandfather stopped off on his way home from work Monday night to fill a grocery list his wife left for him that morning.
But after entering the Dollar General at 1921 Dunn Ave., he was thrust into an armed robbery that ended with him firing his weapon and one of the two robbers lying dead on the floor.
Two unidentified men entered the store about 9:20 p.m., both with handguns, said Lt. Rob Schoonover of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.
“One of them had the clerk and one of them was at the front cash register,” Schoonover said.
The manager then alerted the customer to the situation.
“The customer, who had a concealed firearms permit and a firearm, fired at the suspect, striking him apparently two times, killing him,” Schoonover said.
The other robber, wearing a blue bandana and gloves, ran out the front and fled eastbound on Dunn Avenue in a small sport-utility vehicle.
Soon after the incident, police allowed the customer to call and reassure his family.
“We just get a phone call saying, ‘I’m OK, but something happened,’” said the man’s son. “It just sucks that we have to work late and have to carry a gun.”
The man, who the Times-Union is not identifying because the other robber has not been caught, knew well how to use his gun, according to his family.
“He’s always been a marksman,” his wife said. “He shoots in competitions, but this is the first time he’s ever killed anyone and I don’t know how he’ll handle that.”
The store was equipped with video surveillance and the man was being taken in for questioning, but he’s not being charged, Schoonover said.
“The citizen did not get shot, none of the employees were hurt, this worked out good tonight,” Schoonover said.
Times-Union writer Dana Treen contributed to this report.
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Read more at Jacksonville.com:  http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-08-28/story/customer-kills-gunman-during-jacksonville-robbery-attempt#ixzz24zvmaRRn


update.............

Jacksonville robbery suspect charged with accomplice's deathPosted: August 29, 2012 - 12:03pm  |  Updated: August 29, 2012 - 2:55pm
By Dana Treen               A customer who shot and killed an armed robber inside a Jacksonville discount store Monday reacted with calm and precision in an extreme situation, police said Wednesday at a briefing on the arrest of a second suspect.
“He put himself in harms way by getting involved,” homicide Lt. Rob Schoonover said. “To me that is an extraordinary person to do that.”
The two men who came into the Dollar General at 1921 Dunn Ave. were holding CO2 BB pistols that resembled handguns and were threatening the two employees in the store, police said.
Police are not identifying the man who shot Rakeem Deveal Odoms, 22, at the counter where Odoms was holding the store manager at gunpoint. Odoms died at the scene from .45-caliber wounds to his head, chest and shoulder.
On Tuesday police arrested Aundre Krishna Campbell, 19, of the 12300 block of Kiwi Court as Odoms’ accomplice. He was picked up on an unrelated burglary warrant after a family member contacted police. He was later charged with robbery and felony murder because Odoms died during the crime.
“To us he prevented any other violence from happening,” Schoonover said of the man who was picking up groceries at the store when the attempted robbery unfolded just after 9 p.m. The manager and clerk in the store could have been harmed, he said.
The man, described by his family as a 57-year-old business owner and grandfather, was at the rear of the store and walked to the front where he pulled his concealed handgun about 5 feet from the suspects.
“He produced his weapon, [and] ordered both suspects to drop their guns,” Schoonover said. “Rakeem Odoms did not. He fired three times, striking him, killing him at the scene.”
The suspect later identified as Campbell dropped his gun and ran, jumping into a white sport-utility vehicle and heading east.
“The citizen used good restraint in not firing at him,” Schoonover said.
Schoonover said store surveillance was helpful in determining what happened at the scene.
The two CO2 guns were recovered at the store.
Campbell and Odoms are being investigated for several other robberies in Jacksonville, Schoonover said.
The man’s family told the Times-Union he did not want to comment.
“He unfortunately got put in a situation,” his son said Wednesday.
And while his father understands he may have stopped something from escalating, there are consequences.
“He’s got to deal with taking someone else’s life.”
 
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Read more at Jacksonville.com:  http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-08-29/story/jacksonville-robbery-suspect-charged-accomplices-death#ixzz24zwDW2BG

On the up side of this event, the customer saved the people of Jacksonville the cost of a trial, and the cost of feeding another lowlife.

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Re: Could licensed CCW holders stop a trajedy??
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2012, 04:43:46 PM »
SWAMPTHING. Thanks, I love stories with happy endings. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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