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Offline Mike in Virginia

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CVA vs T/C
« on: December 19, 2012, 01:21:57 PM »
I bought cheap in-line just for the m/l season this year.  It's a CVA Wolf.  Costs $139 at WalMart.  Camo synthetic stock.  Break open design, uses 209 primers, takes pellets or powder.  Adjustable glow sights.  Shoots 1" at 50 yards (as far as I ever get to shoot here in the mountains) with 2 pellets and those copper bullets with a plastic butt.  50 caliber.  Breach plugs comes out without tools.  Drilled for a scope, although I like the sights.   
My friend bought a T/C something-or-other that looks just like it and operates the same way.  He paid over $500 for it.  The only advantage I can see is that it will take cartridge barrels. 
Am I missing something else?   
 
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 03:04:45 PM »
tc pro hunter or encore most likely. They can swap barrels to shoot centerfire, the wolf can not. The encore platform requires higher strength steel to handle the pressures smokeless builds so yes it will cost more and plus the fact they have a lot of advertisement to pay for. $500 IMO isn't that bad if its SS.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 05:21:02 AM »
At that price, unless he bought it used, your friend probably bought an Encore FX which is NOT a switch barrel rifle.   His rifle might look a bit more elegant than your Wolf, but they both function the same - except that he might have issues with the QLA section of his barrel.   A deer or elk won't know the difference.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 08:04:57 AM »
I was tempted to buy a Wolf last year because my other Muzzy was down, but I didn't.
The TC you are describing is likely the Pro-Hunter FX. There is no such thing as Encore FX that I am aware of, similar but different in that the ProHunter FX is not a switch barrel rifle. Its a premium rifle and not an import knock off like the Wolf. But if your Wolf is getting the job done for you then enjoy.  :)
 
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2012, 10:26:41 AM »
Are the newer CVA's made in Spain, like the earlier ones ? IMHO I would be cautious about buying Spanish made firearms.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 10:36:22 AM »
Yes they are.....me too.....
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 12:05:46 PM »
just a warning but we will NOT have that safety being an issue that some of you may fall for. CVA, Traditions are all perfectly safe, if you want to go around spreading that phoney wakeman scare tactics, you will go do it somewhere else.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 03:03:52 AM »
Years ago I would have taken a t/c hands down, But I think with CVA you get more for your money. I would like to get a CVA Optima with a thumbhole stock and a 416 stainless steel fluted barrel. The stainless and nickel plated barrels are a snap to clean.
Mike, Like ole timer said if the wolf gets the job done and you like the gun, That's all that matters. ;)
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 03:16:59 AM »
I have the T/C and I wouldn't buy the CVA or Traditions.  It's worth paying the extra.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 04:38:58 PM »
I have owned 5 different T/Cs (sidehammers and inlines) and 1 CVA inline. I couldn't get rid of the CVA fast enough after I bought it and only got about 1/2 of what I paid originally. My T/C rifles have always been dependable and accurate. I still have a Black Diamond I bought about 7 years ago and the same Renegade I bought back in the early 1980s. Get the T/C!!!
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2013, 07:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Mike in Virginia on December 19, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
I bought cheap in-line just for the m/l season this year.  It's a CVA Wolf.  Costs $139 at WalMart.  Camo synthetic stock.  Break open design, uses 209 primers, takes pellets or powder.  Adjustable glow sights.  Shoots 1" at 50 yards (as far as I ever get to shoot here in the mountains) with 2 pellets and those copper bullets with a plastic butt.  50 caliber.  Breach plugs comes out without tools.  Drilled for a scope, although I like the sights.   
My friend bought a T/C something-or-other that looks just like it and operates the same way.  He paid over $500 for it.  The only advantage I can see is that it will take cartridge barrels. 
Am I missing something else?   
 
The TC that looks like and operates the same way as the CVA Wolf is the Impact.  The Pro Hunter or Encore, looks like a ugly pistol with a rifle stock growing out of it. ;D

If your sure the gun takes cartridge barrels it would be the Encore or Pro Hunter like bigblock said.

TC guns blackpowder or smokeless are quality American made guns.  If you want an American quality muzzle loader at a reasonable price pick up the TC Impact.  You won't regret it.

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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2013, 07:39:24 AM »
oooooh yeah! CVA Wolf stainless steel! CVA's quality had jumped greatly since the first gen Accura hit the market. Beautiful triggers and the hand removable breech plug is great as well.

CVA lists the SS Wolf at $277 so you can bet it will be a good $50+ cheaper at budsgunshop or r&r arms.


Sorry but ive handled the impact, its about as quality as a daisy bb gun. Actually has the feel of one to.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2013, 08:35:01 AM »
The Impact.  It's well worth the money.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 09:36:44 AM »
nothing is safe in the hands of the wrong person.

When following user manual, and recommended loads, ALL muzzleloaders are safe.

Swampman, im not going to let you spam the forums with your wakeman bs, so dont even think of trying it. Thats the second warning.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2013, 09:53:44 AM »
If I were in market for a new inline, I'd buy the Wolf. Been shooting CVA guns for about thirty years and never had a problem wif em.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2013, 10:02:57 AM »
I'm not allowed to express my personal opinion?
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2013, 10:14:42 AM »
CVA vs T/C has zero comparison in my eyes.


I buy american made Thompson Center products.


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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2013, 10:31:56 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on January 03, 2013, 10:02:57 AM
I'm not allowed to express my personal opinion?

You've been warned 2 handful of times recently and in the past about your spamming of the  unsafe muzzleloaders myth, its no longer going to be tolerated. Your untruthful & misleading Wakeman info is not welcome here.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2013, 08:34:43 AM »
Quote from: bigblock455 on January 03, 2013, 07:39:24 AM
oooooh yeah! CVA Wolf stainless steel! CVA's quality had jumped greatly since the first gen Accura hit the market. Beautiful triggers and the hand removable breech plug is great as well.

CVA lists the SS Wolf at $277 so you can bet it will be a good $50+ cheaper at budsgunshop or r&r arms.


Sorry but ive handled the impact, its about as quality as a daisy bb gun. Actually has the feel of one to.

You can buy the Stainless Steel Optima at Wally World for $217 (2012 price), I see a price increase for 2013. I'd rather have the 2013 Optima with the new trigger guard/breeching lever.
 
Just a matter of time! CVA will be eating T/C's lunch, and T/C (S&W) will be hand feeding it to them.
 
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2013, 12:44:19 PM »
Folks perceptions are sure funny...
 
Years ago anything brought in from Japan was "junk"...Now, it's higher quality of most American made products...
 
Back in the mid-1700s when the country was just starting to make rifled barrel guns fully 90% of the barrels and locks were imported...
 
That's right, Kentucky rifles, Pennsylvania rifles, American Longrifles, whatever your favorite name is started with having imported locks and barrels...
 
Back in the 1960s when the muzzleloading fad was resurrected guess where the guns came from??? Overseas, many from Spain....  :)
 
Many fine guns are made overseas, ever owned a Browning made in Belgium???
 
Get your head out of the sand and drop the elitist attitudes...There are many countries out there that make products as good or better than the ones made here in the US...
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2013, 12:51:32 PM »
Not firearms.....
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2013, 01:27:39 PM »
readin' some of these threads brings to mind a bumper sticker i saw recently.
 
"never argue with an idiot. he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
 
Happy New Year friends & neighbors, bubba.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2013, 01:29:03 PM »
yes i am afraid so. I get tired of the cocky attitude, i only buy american made products! Yeah wheres your fridge, microwave, shoes, shirts, jackets, socks made.

Europe has a large history of excellent guns.  Brown bess was used by both armies during the Revolution, granted there was also a great deal of rifles and other german made weapons.

Hawken, the famous Hawken rifle maker originally made european rifles before moving out west and starting the plains rifles.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »
i forget the news agency, but i read an article recently about what people thought were iconic "american" brands. of the ones that were "american" likely as not "america" meant canada or mexico. i too would prefer to "buy american" but more than that i want somethin' worth payin' for regardless of where it's made. as far as muzzleloaders go i prefer t/c's just 'cause i like'em. but i've also owned several lyman's, a couple cva's and one british gun. and they've all shot better than i can. and i never worried about any of'em blowin' up.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2013, 04:03:08 PM »
I own bith an impact and a wolf.  My OPINIONS ON BOTH


ease of loading  wolf






accuracy equal






weight wolf




breech plug removal   wolf


fit  impact, due to ability to remove piece form stock shortening LOP.


Cost  Wolf


I use both and enjoy both.  Buy the one that fits you better and rest assured one is as safe as the other if you follow load guides

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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2013, 03:04:18 AM »
 Of those choices I'll choose a Knight.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2013, 04:26:08 AM »
I have had them all & IMO the Knight wins easily.  Mike
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2013, 05:57:54 AM »
Yep the Knight is awesome.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 05:31:16 AM »
CVA Muzzleloaders are still made in Spain. The addition to the Bergara barrel on my Accura i must say was really nice.
 
T/C also has a powder and bullet limit but i dont have a manual in front of me. If you can afford a T/C Triumph they are great right out of the box.
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Re: CVA vs T/C
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 05:43:08 AM »
Quote from: Busta on January 05, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
Quote from: bigblock455 on January 03, 2013, 07:39:24 AM

Just a matter of time! CVA will be eating T/C's lunch, and T/C (S&W) will be hand feeding it to them.

Your exactly right, it's the American way. Peoples paychecks are getting less and less so they have no choice but to buy cheap and they do. CVA is probably already selling more then T/C in my opinion.
 
After hunting a weekend with the owners of Knight Rifles they dont want in that game. They will continue to make american made guns at the highest quality and they totally understand some might not be able to afford them. And also understand they will not compete with CVA in sales and dont want to.
 
I actually hope T/C stays in business to keep everyone more competive and keeps more jobs available to help the economy.
 
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