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Offline Swamp Fox

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« on: February 09, 2004, 06:33:39 AM »
I'm new to reloading and want ot work up some loads. I found the rational for OCW compelling but I am having touble finding the "Where to start" info.

I guess I'm looking for starting loads to develope for two rifles. The info I'm getting from the manuals and web published recipes is inconsistant and confusing to say the least.

My rifles are a Rem. 700 in .243 win. and a Savage 12VBSS in .300 WSM.

I have CCI BR-2 and Fed. GM210M primers.

IMR 4350 & Reloader 19 powders.

Nosler 6mm 95 gr Balistic Tip Spitzer & Speer 6mm 100 gr Boat Tails for the .243.

Nosler Balistic Tip 165 gr spitzer and Nosler Partition 200 gr Spitzers for the .300 WSM.

If I need to explore other materials let me know. The powders were selected because they were bothe mentioned in load recipes for both cal. and bullet selections and I understand that there may be better options.

Thanks for helping the newbie.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2004, 05:26:07 PM »
??? "OCW" ???


The IMR 4350 will work well in either
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2004, 07:43:34 PM »
Try www.wizard.net, if that doesn't work send me a PM and I'll look a little harder for you. ROB

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2004, 08:12:56 AM »
ROB,

For some reason that link took me to fcc.net. I typed in wizard and went back to fcc.

OCW Can best be understood by going to this site:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dannewberry/dannewberrysoptimalchargeweightloaddevelopment/index.html
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2004, 12:11:15 PM »
Oh, that technique.  I have tried that philosophy and found it to have some value, but I would recommend not taking everything in that article as gospel.

I have particularly found that putting up a separate piece of paper for each increment is not a good idea.  In my experience, every time I adjust the rifle on the bags to align it with the next target my POI will shift slightly.  Not much, but enough to invalidate the test.

What worked better for me was to stay set up on one target and fire one of each load at it, using a good spotting scope and carefully taking notes on the order and locations of the holes.  Then move to the next target (or better yet replace the target without disturbing the bags) and repeat.

I am also not sure I agree with his assertion that seating depth and primer selection only provides “fine tuning”.  I have had experiences where primer selection had a greater effect on group size than did charge weight.

I totally disagree with his recommendation to “Use magnum primers only with magnum chamberings.”  In some circumstances magnum primers can really shrink groups in non-magnum cartridges.  And not only with very slow powders.  I have had excellent results when using magnum primers with reduced loads of faster powders.

Also, be aware that the bullet you select in his step #1 may turn out to never work well in your rifle.

Actually, my limited personal experience leaves me with the impression that given a good rifle and careful reloading practices, the selection of components is more important than the charge weight.

- Jim

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2004, 05:41:12 AM »
Another way of thinking about this:

Normally we develop a load for a specific purpose.  We want to kill a certain size animal or knock over a silhouette or punch a hole in paper at a certain distance.  This intended purpose will define the bullet weight and velocity we are looking for.  Ideally we determine the desired bullet weight and velocity before we even pick the cartridge.

My primary interest is rifle silhouette.  Our matches involve forty shots to knock over heavy metal silhouettes at 200 – 500 meters.  We optimize our loads to reliably knock over the targets while producing the minimum recoil.  We usually use a heavy bullet for the 500m rams and a light bullet for the other animals.  The paper punchers are frequently also looking for a specific velocity that will give them the best trade off between wind drift and recoil for a certain range.  Hunters usually want the most velocity they can accurately, reliably and safely get

I find that my load development usually involves picking some components and working up the powder charge looking for the velocity I want.  If I canÂ’t get the velocity I try another powder.  If I get the velocity I then evaluate the accuracy, experiment with primers, tweak the powder charge, etc.  I will do this with several powders and see what works best.  If I donÂ’t get acceptable accuracy I start over with another bullet.

When I am finished I will have one or more accurate loads very close to the velocity I wanted.  They probably qualify for your “OCW” criteria, but checking to see if they retain their accuracy with variations in charge weight is one of the last things I do and falls into the category of tweaking the powder charge.

- Jim