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Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« on: August 13, 2012, 02:24:31 PM »
Browsing the Holland & Holland bolt action rifles and they start at 24,000 pounds which is $37,650.00 in US Dollars.

http://www.hollandandholland.com/boltaction.php

Wow!   All of their rifles are just plain vanilla Model '98 Mauser military  actions that with altered bolts, blue jobs, etc.  Even the .375 H&H are fancied up  mil surps.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Holland-Holland-Pre-Owned-Best-Quality-Bolt-Action-Magazine-Rifle.cfm?gun_id=100266793

Here's a .270  for $28,000. Must be the plain jane model with no checkering on the stock!

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Holland-Holland-Modele-De-Luxe-270-24-.cfm?gun_id=100262531 


Here's a brand new .300 H&H  $54,700.00   ( I think the Swarovski  scope is included). 

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Holland-Holland-New-Deluxe-Bolt-Action-Magazine-Rifle.cfm?gun_id=100255183

Here's a "pre-owned" .270 for $28,000.00






http://www.gunsinternational.com/Holland-Holland-New-Deluxe-Bolt-Action-Magazine-Rifle.cfm?gun_id=100255183

Beautiful rifles, but they do seem over priced.
 

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 03:06:20 PM »
I'll take em all. Please put em all in one box to save postage.

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 06:17:51 PM »
These are not mil-surp actions. Mauser still builds new 98 actions for themselves. H&H does now what they did then,they buy the actions from Mauser.Then they craft the rifle to the exact specs of the customer. Mauser still does this aswell.

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 07:26:26 PM »
These are not mil-surp actions. Mauser still builds new 98 actions for themselves. H&H does now what they did then,they buy the actions from Mauser.Then they craft the rifle to the exact specs of the customer. Mauser still does this aswell.

Thanks for the clarification.  I feel much better spending $28,000.00 on a new action rather than a re-tooled one. 

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 11:19:40 PM »
There are so many really nice rifles for so much less money.
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 04:36:35 PM »
There are so many really nice rifles for so much less money.
But these are not nice, they are sophisticated and purely functional. The highest of the gunmaker art,and no, no Remington action can ever meet the quality and class of these. If they did, H&H would use Remingtons,they don't.

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2012, 12:56:32 AM »
A Model 70 Winchester is every bit as good if not better and a lot less money.  A Dakota or a Cooper is a lot less and even better.
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2012, 02:49:53 AM »
H&H back in the day did most work by hand and as labor cost rose so did their guns. If you read DGJ or such magazines you will learn that today they use CNC machines and get actions in some cases from other places. They still hand fit the actions . It might be hard to sell 700 actions for such prices when you have a marketing tradition that included 98 actions for so long. If you believe that H&H is the only company that can produce a quality gun with wood and metal finish to the highest degree it might do you good to visit the Remington custom shop . While there I saw some beautiful guns one for the wife of a famous country music singer and I would doubt he would bat an eye at paying H&H prices if he saw one he liked.
I have not been to H&H but can't count the articles and books I have read about them. I have visited the Remington custom shop . What I saw was alot of skill and top of the line machine tools. They had a machine that could cut a stock fitted to you . 10 years later you want another no problem they had your records just like H&H . They lapped the bbl by hand just like H&H , what wood do you want ? what pattern checkering hand cut of course just like H&H and the list goes on just like H&H well until they add up the cost maybe but it can be close. I would dare say Bretta , Browning and others can match H&H quality today . I would add that a CNC machine and match the metal work also ( H&H use them ) .
I would think H&H makes some of the best double guns made . And that might be the cause of high priced bolt guns . If your staff can produce expensive DGs and they get paid accordingly then the pay would be high for the bolt gun assy.
The market in America has always been geared to arm the masses where in England it was for less but a more willing to pay crowd .
As for me it would be hard to toss a $30,000.00 gun in the PU and run down back roads to hunting spots  ;D looks bad when your gun cost more than your truck  ;)
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2012, 08:59:05 AM »
I must interject one note here.. I've worked on many actions (no Dakotas or Coopers) and there is a difference between Remington, Winchester, and mausers... A mauser 98 is much better engineered than the rest. There are no frills but there almost no holes either... extraction is flawless, not so the M700, escaping gas is very well handled not so the M70.. When well made to original specs the 98 is smooth, reliable and safe. They were not made for telescopic sights but the mods for that are simple and have mostly been worked out. The 98's safety is much better than the M700 which only locks the trigger and is simpler than the winchesters,, I would prefer modern metalergy but don't feel let down by that of the 1930's! Sound strange?? I've seen failures of many kinds but the 98 is the keast likely to cause problems, not will not cause problems but most reliable... Perhaps H&H uses the M98 because it's still the best available solution to the problem...
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2012, 10:06:46 AM »
I must interject one note here.. I've worked on many actions (no Dakotas or Coopers) and there is a difference between Remington, Winchester, and mausers... A mauser 98 is much better engineered than the rest. There are no frills but there almost no holes either... extraction is flawless, not so the M700, escaping gas is very well handled not so the M70.. When well made to original specs the 98 is smooth, reliable and safe. They were not made for telescopic sights but the mods for that are simple and have mostly been worked out. The 98's safety is much better than the M700 which only locks the trigger and is simpler than the winchesters,, I would prefer modern metalergy but don't feel let down by that of the 1930's! Sound strange?? I've seen failures of many kinds but the 98 is the keast likely to cause problems, not will not cause problems but most reliable... Perhaps H&H uses the M98 because it's still the best available solution to the problem...

A very interesting response.  I've never "worked"  on actions, but I've used them and your  experiences are similar to my own.  There is nothing as stone cold  reliable and durable as the '98 mauser. 

 I learned this from a friend who took a Yugo,    put on  a new 8x57  mil-surp  barrel, did the bolt and safety and new trigger mods....and it was a brutishly reliable gun.  It had a laminated military  stock that was seemingly indestructible.    Heavier than a conventional sporting rifle, but stone cold reliable and solid.   Shot 1.5" with handloaded 200 grain bullets at between 2,500-2,600 fps.   

I think it cost more than an over the counter sporting bolt action rifle, but  frankly my impression is that it was better.   

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 10:10:01 AM »
Accuracy is important too.  That's why I'd rather have a Model 70 or Model 700.  The Model 700 is the strongest of all mentioned and for $100.00 can have a Model 70 type safety.  The prices they are asking are just nuts for what you're getting.
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 06:02:28 PM »
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.You live in your world,I will live in mine and we both can share a couple beers over the countertop and have a good time.
 

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 07:33:49 AM »
I have gotten used to a Ruger  ;D
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2012, 06:26:39 PM »
These are not mil-surp actions. Mauser still builds new 98 actions for themselves. H&H does now what they did then,they buy the actions from Mauser.Then they craft the rifle to the exact specs of the customer. Mauser still does this aswell.

Are you sure this is true?  Most have "thumb notches"  which would make them military actions, as I understand it.  Moreover, I have not been able to find any new  mauser actions for sale anywhere.

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 04:38:34 PM »
Beleive Mauser still builds the actions to exact mil-specs. Google Mauser and you should be able to get their website.  I could be wrong, will not be the first and I doubt it will be the last.

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2012, 04:06:07 AM »
Browsing the Holland & Holland bolt action rifles and they start at 24,000 pounds which is $37,650.00 in US Dollars.
pretty rifles, but... yikes. No danger of my shoulder getting whacked by one of those anytime soon... that's a league I can't play in.
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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 07:02:33 AM »
 
  Now now old boy, one couldn't be expected to show up for a stag shoot at Lord Grantham's with just a common factory rifle, now could one?   Just t'isn't done man.  We have to keep up the standards.   Next thing you know, we would be expected to actually carry our rifles! 

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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2012, 04:40:24 PM »
The H&H guns and others like them are for those who can easily afford them and then tell others what they have!

When we were in England I visited some of the upscale gun makers like H&H, Boss etc.

Indeed they have very fine guns there.  The salesmen dress in the best clothing and the place is top drawer.

I was satisfied with some old Winchesters and other customs as it's all I can afford.



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Re: Holland & Holland Bolt Actions for
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2012, 09:02:37 AM »

  Now now old boy, one couldn't be expected to show up for a stag shoot at Lord Grantham's with just a common factory rifle, now could one?   Just t'isn't done man.  We have to keep up the standards.   Next thing you know, we would be expected to actually carry our rifles!

Say it isn't so man ! carry a match pair myself simply impossible besides who would load ?
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