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Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« on: July 13, 2012, 03:56:37 AM »
Hello Veral,I've got a question about some ingots [37 pounds worth] that I'm quite sure is contaminated with zinc.I've cast a bunch of round balls for muzzleloaders so I thought wheel weights should be the same right.So I fire up the Coleman stove wide open and start dumping in the wieghts.I had it really hot and I skimmed off the clips and began to pour the ingots. Something didn't seem right from the beginning but I kept going.It seemed like at lower temps the ladle looked like oatmeal but when I cranked up the heat it seemed allright.When I dumped my ingots on the table some of them broke in pieces and seemed to crumble.I decided to try and cast a bullet at high temp and it seemed to be fine.I did some research and I would say I definatly have zinc ,[ probably a lot] in my lead.It sounded like a few people had success removing the zinc and a lot didn't.My question would be,is there a safe,easy way to get rid of the zinc or should I scrap the whole works and start over?.I read opinions on the internet until I got crosseyed so I figured the best thing to do would be to ask you.Any advice would be appreciated.Thanks, Forcon.

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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 05:04:59 PM »
  Thank you for this report, which is the first to come to me about zinc contamination from modern wheel weights.   First, understand that I've never had the problem, so my input will come from what customers tell me thay are doing and from a very knowledgable lead metalurgist named Dennis Marshal, who used to do quite a bit of writing for the Fouling Shot paper put out by The Cast Bullet Association.

  What customers are doing with success, when using modern wheel weights is watching the melt closely and skimming when most of the wheel weights have melted but a few remain with no melt starting.  These will be either steel or Zinc.   Zinc melts at a lot higher temperature than lead, so this method seems to work just fine. 

  Her's my personal solution, which I haven't had to use because I have enough WW from before the zinc thing started, to last the rest of my life.  --  I would peck each wheel weight with a welders slag hammer, keeping it good and sharp if it got dulled at all.  I would lay the WW on a heavy steel or cast iron block to back it up solidly, then give it a peck with the hammer.  Anyone will learn in a few minutes how hard a peck it takes to mark a lead WW quite deeply.   And what the same force does to both zinc and steel.   Take the steel and zinc ones to a scrap metal dealer and they will give you a decent price for them.

  The tape on weights are pure lead.  They can be saved out if you have a use for pure or very soft lead, or, if you don't have a preponderance of them, just thrown in with the WW.  The small dilution they give will hardly change the castibility of your cleaned WW metal.  If you have a large quantity of tape on weights, enough that your WW is softened, you can sweeten the mix with a small about of Linotype, or bullet casting metal., wich is available from several smelters.

  I don't know of any solution which will save your contaminated metal, and according to Dennis, who's wisdom I trust fully, there is no solution for cleaning up the contamination available to bullet casters.  He recommended that one scrap the bad metal and scrape the pot clean as possible, preverably sand blasting it to clean metal, as he said that a very small amount of Zinc would cause bullets to fall apart if dropped or even if a loaded cartridge were picked up by the bullet.  Like out of a loading block.  This after some aging time.
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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 03:28:57 PM »
Thank's for the input Veral.I am going to take you''re advice and scrap the ingots I have.As soon as I get a chance I"ll sort my remaining weights and melt them down. Later,Forcon.

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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 01:49:15 PM »
Thanks for the great advice, Veral.


In the absence of a welder's hammer, you might try what I did. I used a regular pair of pliers and clamped down on the wheelweights that were questionable. If the plier jaws bit into them, I knew they were lead. Zinc on the other hand is hard and feels totally different. The plier jaws don't bite into them.


This worked easily and quickly for me.


Just another idea.

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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 03:50:44 PM »
Thanks, Veral!
Good idea, NIL, that's what we do.

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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 05:24:54 PM »
  The plier trick would be great though a chipping hammer is quicker, easier and maybe would be a bit more precise.  Though precise isn't important.  Anything that tells you that hardness is much higher than WW is all that's needed. 

  Any more ideas, guy, please write them up. 

  I'm strongly believing that the safest way to deal with zinc is be sure it never gets into the lead pot, and this method does that.
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Re: Zinc contaminated lead from modern wheel weights
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 07:19:19 AM »
I haven't had the misfortune to encounter the zinc ogre, but here's a thread
from the Castboolits forum about removing it with sulphur:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=62957

..and a thread showing some results:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=63082

Hope it helps.
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