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williamlayton · « **on:** August 09, 2012, 03:15:09 AM »

First---even it Texas, by God---I don't find the largest to be hard to keep covered and not printing even in summer and uder a T shirt.
I like all pf the comments---didn't say I agree with 'em.
I just don't like the feel of glocks in my hand--that is all I will say about Glunks.
It takes about the same time to take off the thumb safety as it does to put your finger on the rigger---but you got to take it off even though you already have your finger on the trigger as you draw the gun---

I can find bigger guns easier that I can smaller---find, means secure in the hand for drawing.
GB
Now this was a good example of a blog--

---so was yours

Blessings

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:12:29 AM »

I said the same thing about glocks for years. that changed when i picked up a 23. they feel just right in my hand. As a matter of fact a neighbor came over to show off his new 23 one evening and i shot it and bought one the next day. three days later i bought a 20 (because 10mms are cool) and then a week after that i saw a 26 in the same gunshop and it came home with me too. I have to admit i dont really care for the 26. its a blocky little gun and it doesnt fit my big hands well unless you put an extended mag on it and doing that you might as well carry the 23. i stuck it in the console of my pickup and it does well as a truck gun. Powerful enough to take care of truck gun buisness and small enough that if a guy had to he could stick it in his pocket (barely though) Plus with a mag capasity of 12 it carrys twice the ammo my compact 45 1911s do. thing i do like about them bill is ive shot the snot out of all three and they yet to fail to go bang every time. That alone takes away some of the ugliness for me.

Savage · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2012, 11:48:35 AM »

No doubt larger guns are easier to shoot well. They can be carried daily with the proper holster and clothing. My current Glock .40s are a mdl 22 and a 35. I really like the .40 and I would think the 23 would be the perfect size Glock for IWB carry.
I'm really loving my 35 for action pistol sports. My 1911s/High Powers/ CZs stay in the safe these days.
Savage

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:33:01 PM »

Did I miss something? I hate I didn't get to say my piece about Glocks. But seeing as how the thread is still on top, I'm gonna say it anyway.
They are probably the most popular handgun available. But if I had one, which I never will if for no other reason than their appearance, I'd shoot myself the first day I owned it. I think maybe I've said this before.
A local gun dealer told me that people coming into his store will often ask to see a Glock and they will let the slide slam forward by using the slide release. The plastic sight invaribly goes flying across the store. I don't know, but that's what he said. Although no one should slam the side home on an empty gun, the sight still shouldn't come off.
Also, I despise the way they advertise the ugly things. What is it they call the safety? Can't remember, but it implies it's a safe firearm, hs some kind of special safety, which it don't, unless the user is disciplined enough to keep his finger off the trigger. The take up in the little trigger device is not a safety, IMO.
Anyway, just thought I'd say I don't like anything about them. Not that anyone cares.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2012, 02:32:06 AM »

i think your local gun dealer is smoking crack. Im not a big glock fan but ive got three and ive let the slide slam home using the slide release 100s of times and still have my sights on and yes there still the stock plastic ones. A safe firearm is one that doesnt have your finger on the trigger when its not suppose to be. A glock will only go off if you pull the trigger. My finger is never on the trigger unless im squeezing it. they dont go off by themselves!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2012, 03:40:16 AM »

I was not a big Glock fan, I am a 1911 fan. But I got a Glock 30 and love it. Might not be the must handsome gun around, but the thing works great. As for the gunshop owner that said the sights flies off when the guns slide is close is nuts. I have seen many Glocks fired, as well as the slide closed using the slide release and never seen a sight fly off, or even heard of it happening.

WD45 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2012, 04:02:15 AM »

Dang,, If you guys keeps this up you are going to convince me to buy one of these tupperware thingys

I have been considering the block 19, 26 and 23

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2012, 04:26:15 AM »

Get the 19 or 23 depending on which caliber you prefer and you'll never regret it. The 26/27 compacts are really just too small in my opinion and the mid size 19/23 is just as easy to conceal and have just the right size grip.

Brett · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2012, 05:01:17 AM »

Wrap your hands around a S&W M&P before you commit to the Glock. Many, myself included, think that the Smiths ergonomics are better. The M&P is made in the USA , is backed by a lifetime warranty and top notch customer service should you ever need it.

flintlock · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2012, 05:36:45 AM »

I bought a Gen I Glock 23 about a year after they came out, no problems...
It's ugly as heck but I've never had a problem...

If I want pretty, I'll take out one of my flintlocks with their curly maple stocks to caress...

My Glock still has the sights on it...

It's always the guys that haven't had one and someone told them that there are problems that start rumers......

First hand experience is always better...

I simply can't get happy with a .380 if I need to defend myself...I've got an in the waist band holster and with shorts and a loose fitting shirt, it's concealed...

Curtis · « **Reply #10 on:** August 11, 2012, 12:53:36 PM »

If you want to improve a Glock's appearance, just put a Springfield XD next to it. LOL

I have an M&P and like Brett, I think it fits like a glove. I handled Glocks and Kahrs before I bought my M&P.

Curtis

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2012, 02:45:05 AM »

I have to agree with the s&w fans. the m&p feels better in my hand too. Only down side is its more expensive. Ill also add that ive shot enough xds to know there not for me. If im going to go ugly i want reliable ugly.

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2012, 03:28:32 AM »

In a 20 year career span I guess I carried about everything out there looking for that mental comfort of both power, and reliability. I have a soft spot in my heart for the old 1911, and have built a bunch of em for myself, and others. I could make them feed mt brass, and yep! They just feel good.
BUT! Having used one in a fight, and I found some trade offs, and knowing what I know now thru personal experience, I would choose the Glock 23 EVERYTIME for a fight. Ugly? Yep! But most likely the most reliable pistol ever built to date. It carries well, it points well, and it shoots well, with a round that is a true fight stopper. Good caliber characteristics, penetration, and reliability.
However, I carry my Glock 27 EVERY DAY, and it, although short in the grip, shoots just as well, and points well.

Savage · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2012, 04:22:43 AM »

Love the size of the 23. Not a fullsize, not a compact. It falls into a size range that works well as a primary duty weapon, or concealed in a proper holster. I agree that the Glock has got to be as close to the perfect fighting pistol made. My 1911s/CZs/Hi Powers pretty much stay in the safe. I even compete with a Glock 35 these days. The .40 has pretty much become my favorite pistol round.
Savage

WD45 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2012, 03:50:46 PM »

Got it.. 23 or 19

I checked out the M&P compact and the G26 and just really did not care for the super short grip. If I gotta have a grip that short I want something in the PF9 size. I am not a big guy and neither of the compacts will really fit in my pocket. Maybe the new shield would but I have yet to see one anywhere. I have never been a Glock fan but I gotta say if things really go down the tubes there are a lot of them out there and a lot of parts for them.

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2012, 05:05:11 PM »

Didn't mean to offend Glock owners. Just saying what I was told by a local dealer. From the responses, he was obviously blowing smoke. I don't know anything about Glocks. I admit that plainly. The only thing I know for certain is that if someone gave me a brand new one, I wouldn't put cartridges in it, and I'd get rid of it as quickly as possible. That ought not to offend anyone. It's just me. I don't have the personal discipline to be secure with a striker fired pistol with no safety.
Lots of federal and state enforcement agencies have Glocks. Many, many other departments have Glocks. .40 is the caliber most popular. Therefore, my personal distaste for Glocks obviously shows a personal lack of security--perhaps a mental block that prevents logical input from entering my brain.
I have the same problem with .40 caliber anything. Just plain don't like it. I don't like it for the same reason I don't like .380; it's shorter and weaker than the cartridge it should be. Before I get blasted, let me say again my personal opinion on those issues should take nothing away from anyone who like Glocks or .40 caliber. My opinion changes neither item. Glocks in .40 caliber are reliable and reasonably potent. Can't take that away from them.
I'm glad everyone agrees with me that Glocks are butt ugly. Pretty doesn't protect us; I don't need to hear that again.

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2012, 12:45:20 AM »

Graybeard's advise is spot on. If I'm looking for a fight I want a longgun. If I'm just out for a walk a compact 9mm is all I need.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2012, 02:30:24 AM »

dont feel you have to appolgize for your opinion. If this post would have come up two years ago i would had no need to post as your opinion was about identical to mine.

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on August 12, 2012, 05:05:11 PM

Didn't mean to offend Glock owners. Just saying what I was told by a local dealer. From the responses, he was obviously blowing smoke. I don't know anything about Glocks. I admit that plainly. The only thing I know for certain is that if someone gave me a brand new one, I wouldn't put cartridges in it, and I'd get rid of it as quickly as possible. That ought not to offend anyone. It's just me. I don't have the personal discipline to be secure with a striker fired pistol with no safety.
Lots of federal and state enforcement agencies have Glocks. Many, many other departments have Glocks. .40 is the caliber most popular. Therefore, my personal distaste for Glocks obviously shows a personal lack of security--perhaps a mental block that prevents logical input from entering my brain.
I have the same problem with .40 caliber anything. Just plain don't like it. I don't like it for the same reason I don't like .380; it's shorter and weaker than the cartridge it should be. Before I get blasted, let me say again my personal opinion on those issues should take nothing away from anyone who like Glocks or .40 caliber. My opinion changes neither item. Glocks in .40 caliber are reliable and reasonably potent. Can't take that away from them.
I'm glad everyone agrees with me that Glocks are butt ugly. Pretty doesn't protect us; I don't need to hear that again.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2012, 03:22:59 AM »

I got the only bad Glock made for my first Glock ! That was what the store said that sold it to me. So I didn't see them as anything speical for a long time. In fairness it was a used police trade in that the factory was putting out on the market. They repaired it with all new parts and a few extra mags. BUT the failure had occured. I shot IDPA with several guns including Glock. After some time I warmed up to Glock and took some training with one . In class other guns failed no Glock did period and they numbered 2 to 1 . I tried 27's but had to use the floor plate with finger rest so it was easier to go with a 23 . A 23 will fit my front pocket but its a bludge.
When all is considered the most important thing in a defensive hand gun is it needs to fire everytime PERIOD ! Pretty won't cut it if you can't defend yourself.
Things I wish - Glock would build a 40 S&W the size of a Ruger LC 9 single stack

or would round the top of the slide like a 1911

............

williamlayton · « **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2012, 11:08:05 AM »

First and foremost---you can't insult a Glock owner.

That is done by them at the time of purchase.

I like the Sig version of the Glock--it fits my hands better---and you can cock it and de-cock it.

Anywho---since I have long been accused of being a Glunk hater---which I deny---I just don't like them---I will say something good about them.
I will get back to ya'll later on this.
Blessings

WD45 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2012, 12:50:52 PM »

Kel Tec had the 40 in a gun the size of the LC9. I hear recoil was a killer. Maybe 38 super ? Does anyone make a 38 super barrel for Glock ?

painted horse · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2012, 04:55:28 AM »

Ha..way ta go William..I'll call your glock and raise a 1911..

first, I don't own ANY auto loader handgun at this time. I have in the past owned a couple Kimber 1911s, a Hi Power in 9mm and a Sig 226. (The Sig was the best)..I do not like (horror of horrors) 1911s. I didn't like carrying cocked and locked, even with an under hammer thumb break. Please to not tell me how safe it is, I still didn't like it. 1911's are "pretty" or can be with the holes in the hammer and trigger, pretty grips and two tone paint jobs, and I've yet to see a "pretty" Glock. However, pretty is as pretty does and the Glocks I've shot (grand total of three) shot extremely well. My opinion means little, but if I were to purchase a weapon for PP it would be a Glock 23. I shot a friends and I was very surprised at how well I could shoot it. (I'm not a great pistol shot) but was able to continually blast 12 gauge (mty) shotshells at 20 yards with it. Pretty..no...shoot like the dickens...yep...also for me, besides a dolled up 1911 with the whoopie up thing on the back of the grip

(I know it's called a beaver tail) , all the "newer" auto's at 10 ft kinda all look alike anyway.

williamlayton · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2012, 04:52:56 PM »

Well said.
Course you leave me with suspicions of being cautious about justifying aomething.
Any who--

Blessings

Bob Riebe · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2012, 06:43:22 PM »

Glocks break.

When I was in gun-smithing school, my one instructor was an ex-FBI armorer.

He said it was not if they broke but when. He also said it was nice that, at that time, rather than repair one's pistol, they would simply send a new one.

The bad thing is, and I disassembled and assembled Glocks, was when they break, the part that breaks cannot be fixed, and at that time, you could not get them over-the-counter.

Savage · « **Reply #24 on:** October 29, 2012, 01:06:18 AM »

Quote from: Bob Riebe on October 28, 2012, 06:43:22 PM

Glocks break.

When I was in gun-smithing school, my one instructor was an ex-FBI armorer.

He said it was not if they broke but when. He also said it was nice that, at that time, rather than repair one's pistol, they would simply send a new one.

The bad thing is, and I disassembled and assembled Glocks, was when they break, the part that breaks cannot be fixed, and at that time, you could not get them over-the-counter.

Yep, Glocks break. I've been carrying and shooting them for years. I shoot IDPA 3-4 times a month, an occasional USPSA and Steel Challenge match. Sometimes I even practice a little between matches. Had two parts failures in that 15 or so years. Only one disabled the gun. Since the early to mid 90s there has been no shortage of spare parts available for Glocks. Slides and frames were all that was missing in aftermarket parts. All that has changed in the last 5 or so years. Frames are available in plastic or aluminum. Should one want, a Franken Glock could be put together from all aftermarket parts, and--------drum roll please----------by just about anyone capable of setting the thermostat, with an hour's instruction using no special tools, other than a sight tool. (Although a hammer and punch would work) Glocks are an acquired taste. They'll never win any beauty contest or inspire any pride of ownership, they just perform the job they are designed to do, and do it well. I have given more than equal time to my 1911s/CZs/Hi Powers/Sigs. Appreciate them all! I have not found any pistol in my 70+ years, that does a better job (For Me) and my intended purposes than the Glock. Of the 3 dozen or so pistols in my safe, 4 of them are Glocks, 5 are 1911s, so I'm not a kool aid drinker.----------

Savage

cwlongshot · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2012, 02:14:32 AM »

I grew up with the 1911. My first CF handgun was a 1911. I trained with them shot them in compatition and when the GLOCK came to be I grid it. It's grip angle threw me and I shunned it sinply because my shooting (muscle memory) left me with. poor point shooting accuracy. I stuck with my 1911's till the late 1990's.
I'm also a instructor and work with local PD and FBI with compantacy training. So I was havi g to train with Glocks more and more. I did very much like what I had seen and herd about the 19/23. ESP the 23 as its 40 cal did what the 45 "claimed to" but so often fell short of. That was push a 180g slug to 1000fps.

Like Lloyd I bought a 23 very shortly after shooting one for the first time. I have one today and it has 100% replaced my carry Comander LWT. It is 100% reliable, plenty accurate and has even more capasity. I really do now love my Glocks.

Earlier last year I also bought a G20 10MM. I have owned a Delta Elite since Colt offered them and even purchase a Gold Cup version of the 10MM in Stainless. But the cartridge is stout in a 1911 and its unsupported barrel was hell on the Norma ammo we shot at the time. The GLOCK eats the same pressure loads like a fat kid in a candy shop with a 20$ bill to spend!

Will you find a GLOCK in my bullseye box. Not likely

my colts/1911's are more accurate no argument. BUT the GLOCK shoots plenty well for what it's designed for. This is in no way accepting a short coming its simple a better "tool" for the job.

I tell all this because I will not try to push anyone away from there favorite. My "work" pushed me to know the GLOCK, Sig, Colt etc. I see why people use and continue to support GLOCK.

Every gun design breaks and malfunctions. I am not gonna tell you ANY OF THEM are infallible. I would stake my life on my Colts OR my Glocks.

Just please do not discount them on looks or something some guy said. If you look hard enough you will hear negative comments on anything!

So in short, I was a 1911 guy. Now I'm a GLOCK guy who also has 1911's.

CW