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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2012, 03:53:22 PM »
For those who like the single shots How about just getting a encore then you can have all the calibers you want from 17 rem to 50 cal. and even shotgun barrels. Plus turn it into a pistol. 8)  I like the triggers on my TCs and encores allot. The savage accutrigger is nice too. Its on my 10ML-II.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2012, 04:14:21 PM »
I'd rather have a Stevens 200 than a Savage.
The Stevens 200 is the Savage 10/110 without the accutrigger.   It is the same Exact rifle other than the logo stamped on the bolt.   
I would chose the Savage every time if the price is the same.   The accutrigger is great, and can be made fantastic with a 5 minute mod, the accuracy is legendary, and the barrels are almost as easy to change as they are on a handi....and you dont have to send it to the factory to have them fitted.   But, I also like the handi!

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2012, 04:17:46 PM »
Handi.  No doubt here...  ;)
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2012, 05:00:07 PM »
Handis are more fun in my mind.
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Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2012, 06:35:59 PM »
Savage .30-06 and then a Handi each of the others!
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2012, 06:49:59 PM »
easy choice for me. . .handi


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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2012, 12:16:48 AM »
I'd rather have a Stevens 200 than a Savage.
The Stevens 200 is the Savage 10/110 without the accutrigger.   It is the same Exact rifle other than the logo stamped on the bolt.   
I would chose the Savage every time if the price is the same.   The accutrigger is great, and can be made fantastic with a 5 minute mod, the accuracy is legendary, and the barrels are almost as easy to change as they are on a handi....and you dont have to send it to the factory to have them fitted.   But, I also like the handi!

I hate the Accutrigger.  It fails to work often in my experience.  A cheap flimsy substitute for a real trigger.
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2012, 01:38:46 AM »
Why, A Handi of coarse!!  ::)
 
BUT, I agree with Spanky, I would'nt buy a newly made H&R product. Just too many problems associated to Remingtons take over... Reports are they are doing the same to another long time ICON of Americona... Marlin Forearms. I WILL buy many more of BOTH only they will be OLDER guns!!   ::)
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Nothing wrong with the Savage ( I think you knew the answer you would get here;) ) They, on the other hand, appear to be IMPROVING there long time stigma of a cheap, poorly made, firearm. The NRA listed one of theres as rifle of the year. There long range bolt offerings, are smashing sub MOA accuracy all at a precentage of what you needed to spend just a few short years ago.
 
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2012, 02:53:47 AM »
    Savage for me. I know this wasn't listed but i have a Savage 112 in 204 Ruger that off the bench will shoot one ragged hole at 100 yds. 5 shot groups. The only Rem. i ever owned that would do that was my old 788 243. As far as Handi's the only one i own now is a 17 HMR. Bought it 7 years ago. 16 boxes of ammo setting on the bench and i have never fired the gun. My opinion of the Handi might change if i ever get around to shooting the 17 HMR.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2012, 04:22:35 AM »
I love my  Handi's, but I like my Ruger American and Savage Edge a little better, mainly because, they are lighter.  I'm 71, have arthritis in both wrists and both knees.............in fact, having a new left knee installed (ha) in January. So weight is becoming more important every day........

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2012, 06:15:08 AM »
Other than a short rifle and LH usable, the handi's aren't quite up to snuff now.  It seems QC has gone down since the move.  My last "deal" was a .308 synthetic with scope; it had a bent forearm lug, I decided to not send it in and to repair it myslef.  Who wants to buy something and then wait for it to be fixed instead of using it.  I have had 2 FTF from the weaker spring, and the extractor is slower for someone who hunts.  I have had stuck cases in my ejectors, though.
If I had the money and found a LH Savage in something like .338 (I fancy myself an elk hunter), I would have to go for it.  The one down side is a less handy gun in thick stuff.
The days of finding calebers like 7 Mauser, seem to be gone.  Any chance they will ever offer .338 Marlin or something similar?  I have lost interest in the Whelen as it seems too many people are having problems with them.
May be someone here will win a big lottery and then can buy their own gun company.  I could go broke bringing back odd calibers or making new 99's.





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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2012, 06:40:06 AM »
I have been burned badly by the H & R excuse for quality control.  I will not buy a new H & R.  I found it is less expensive in the long run to purchase a quality rifle up front.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2012, 08:50:17 AM »
I haven't looked at Handi's for a couple years.  Gave up on finding a .357 and bought a Rossi because I needed a short, light gun for "yard work."  While the Rossi has been great, it is missing the unique ability to load the .357 with longer, heavier bullets, which is one of the things the Handi has going for it.
 
As far as the rimless cartridges go, I typically prefer a bolt - and for the same money, that's the way I would go - BUT, I have this cute little Synthetic Youth Handi in .223 that shoots better than a "cheap" or extremely lightweight gun should.  It's greatness is menifested in its light and compact stature.
 
So, the ability to be creative with rimmed cartridge loadings and the possibility of having that in an extremly light and compact package are the appeal of the Handi to me.  Being relatively inexpensive is a HUGE bonus because that just means that I actually can take advantage of the other two big advantages rather than just look at pictures of something I can't afford.
 
Where did all that go?  Their prices seem "high" to me even considering the rapid increases of guns and related paraphernalia over the past four to five years and they don't have much in the way of "lightweight" or "compact" going for them any more.
 
Consider the current .357 magnum rifles/barrels available - 22" long, very beefy, no iron sights and not even D/T'd for iron sights - but they are close to or just over $300 and SEVEN POUNDS for a complete gun with a stock that is too big for me and not easily shortened.
 
I am likely most apt to buy neither because the Handi offered something you couldn't easily get in a bolt-gun.  I'm just not seeing that any more.  Maybe I am not looking hard enough or in the right place - but I am guessing they might get a bit harder to find as bolt-guns become less costly and Handi's become more costly.  There are a lot of folks out there who buy guns that don't post here and I think many of them bought Handi's because of the price. 
 
Those buyers will almost certainly go for the bolt.  The shops are going to have to stock what sells best to pay the rent.  I think H&R attracted a lot of new Handi-users when they started chambering for other than low-pressure rimmed cartridges and I think  that was a good thing.  I also think that those same buyers would be more likely to buy a bolt-gun for the same money.  Bear in mind that I am not speaking of the majority here who appreciate their guns far more than once a year for a couple weeks of hunting season, but those other folks buy a lot of guns collectively and help keep the arms manufacturers' doors open.
 
I am actually a little worried that the Handi could be in trouble and I don't think it would bother Remington too much to see it go away.  Not bashing Remington - they have to pay their bills too and trying to focus on their original line, Marlins and H&R - they may be inclined to let one go to save another.  Not that I have their insight or know what they are thinking - it just worries me that it seems possible.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2012, 03:46:20 AM »
The Accutrigger is 'different', it feels strange IF you are thinking about the trigger. Ignore it, get the shots off, check the group and my guess is you'll like it fine. A double lever double set trigger feels strange and different too when you are used to a conventional trigger. My Accutrigger Sav. shoots as well as my 100yr old Stevens Mdl.47 Special match rifle with dbl sets. YMMV, but give it a chance. Swampy's experience surprises me, it sounds 'broke' or maybe only a burr, or something simple. Wouldnt be the first time an otherwise good gun gets through QC.
That said, for woods loafing, fun, romance, etc. I really like single shots, for real world hunting I like a magazine feed repeater ('cause I fumble and want to keep my eye on the game, not 'distractions').
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2012, 02:49:04 PM »
+1 on the Ruger American.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2012, 02:28:36 PM »
i had the handi in .223 a few years ago. it would shoot the cloverleaf at 100 yds right out of the box but i sold it because it was one of the 1:12 twist rate bbls and would not handle the heavier bullets...(and times got hard)...

I'm HOPING my .223 FWT has the 1/12 twist.....   

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2012, 02:40:54 PM »
I bought a Savage .223. Fired it maybe 7 or 8 times. I can't stand that acu trigger. It's been sitting in the corner for a couple of months now. Very disappointed.

I read that with a round wooden toothpick and about 10 seconds labour, you can disable the accutrigger....

but that is what I read, I don't have one yet

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2012, 03:58:20 AM »
I just do not understand why some people have a problem with the accu trigger. Outside of my high wall with double sets the accu trigger is the best trigger I have come across, especially as a trigger on an economy rifle. It breaks light and super clean as in breaking glass. I need a good description of what the problem is with this trigger.
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2012, 05:37:38 AM »
To me, a two stage trigger is much more annoying than an Accutrigger. I can shoot well enough with a two stage trigger, I would just prefer a gun not having it. Like every thing else, everyone has an opinion. If something does not feel right, it just does not feel right. The only regular Accutrigger I own is on a Model 40. I have it adjusted all the way down and the trigger is a little too stiff for my liking, but I can deal with it and it is getting better with use. What I do not like so well is the creep that it has. I have recently gotten a Long Range Target Action and the barrel and stock is on order for it. The trigger on it is a little different than a regular Accutrigger. Time will tell if the trigger is what I like or not. Over all, the Accutrigger is a good trigger, better than most factory triggers. But that is my opinion.

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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2012, 11:27:31 AM »
I just returned home from a friend's where we discussed the O.P.'s question. As a dealer he has seen and handled a bunch, and has not been impressed with the Savage Axis rifles. What he has been impressed with, and 'for only a few dollars more', are the Browning A Bolt, Ruger American and Wheatherby (ummmmm), all say in the $400 range.
I checked out the Browning (in 308) and liked it very much. I mean VERY much! If I were in the market for a new hunting class bolt gun I would seriously consider it.
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2012, 01:10:09 PM »
I checked out a Ruger American .243 today. It had a nice recoil pad and it's lightweight. Should make a good "working man's" rifle. Seems like a good deal for $350 or so.
 
 
 
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2012, 02:02:50 PM »
I sold one of my NEF Handi Rifles today in 45-70. I had two of them and a guy that has a bear problem wanted something to thump that critter. ;D
 
My latest purchase was an Axis in 308 Win and after replacing one of the trigger springs with a ball point spring and shortening the one that presses on the trigger I can live with it. It still needs more Squeeze than I like and I presume more use will smooth it out eventually.
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Re: Would you buy a Handi or a Savage?
« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2012, 01:40:13 AM »
Let's talk 'apples to apples'!  The no longer built Savage 219 single shot was a direct comparison to the Handi.  I have shot one and have one being 'assembled' for me now with a 20" barrel rather than the 24".  That will be a fun gun.  But the Handi is better!  The Savage will lock up with loads that a Handi will eat easily.  I have ONE bolt action.  A Win Featherwt in 30-06 for an 'all around' rifle.  All the rest are Handi's (with the exception of the Savage 219 coming) and all will shoot 3/4" or under if I'm doing my part.  I only have one more gun that I wish to add at some point and that is the Savage Lightwt Hunter in 7-08.  5 & 1/2 lbs!  Handi does need to work on the 'lightwt' part of the 'Light and Handi' part of the equation.  Of course the heavier barrels shoot great, but I'd accept and 1 1/2" group for a really light single shot.  But all in all I'm very happy with the Handi platform, new or old.  44 Man
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