Author Topic: M610 VS .41/.41MAG (Read 1841 times)

williamlayton · « **on:** November 04, 2012, 01:33:21 AM »

A kinda off topic addendum to mmy need for a new S&W.
The 610 does seem to carry some interest--let ME ask a question--not an argument against---but a real need to come to conclusions about.
I have a .41mag which will shoot .41 and I left with the thought that this will not really give me anything I don't have.
What is the benifit--from your point of view---FOR the M610.
Blessings

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2012, 01:09:29 AM »

I for one just like moon clip guns. I can buy 50 clips and load them at home and take them to the range and pick up my brass in clips of 6. take them home and unclip them. Moon clips make for faster reloading so it makes a 610 a bit better self defense gun then a 657. Also i will say this. It may be just my gun but my 610 is the most accurate out of the box smith ive ever owned and ive yet to hear of one that wasnt a shooter. Balisticaly the 41 defineately has an advantage but its not a bit advantage. The 10 is alot closer in actual effectiveness on game to the 41mag then it is to the 357. Recoil is a bit less then a 41, closer to a 357 and it doesnt have the ear piercing muzzle blast of the 357. Bottom line is theres lots of advantages and disadvantages between them but none are big differnces.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2012, 02:06:41 AM »

good post LS , would add the 610 does not reach 41 mag preformance , it comes close on the low end of the lighter loads in 41 mag but still not there. History shows the 38-40 and 41 colt were both good man stoppers both were in reality the same bore size in many guns and ammo was used interchangeable often. The 40 S&W and 10 mm would compare to these as a SD round. It should offer a faster second shot over the 41 mag also. The 40 S&W is catching on with police all over America. Add the rugged revolver and the ablity to skip over a dead round with the pull of the trigger what's not to like ?

williamlayton · « **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2012, 11:38:03 PM »

I will not belabor the desire to own one of every caliber----God knows I try.
I will slao not belabor the shooting fun from each.
I guess that I am being a little introspective as to the real need for both, when both seem to be about the same.
Blessings

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2012, 01:11:33 AM »

if i elminated every gun that had another close in power to it in the safe id probably be down to one gun.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2012, 01:27:16 AM »

Well in the long run it boils down to do you want to load one at a time or stuff in 6 all at once

williamlayton · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2012, 11:34:04 PM »

I guess it would be OK to lay out about 6 in different calibers, all loaded, and just start shooting.
OOOOPPS---I think I have done that.
Blessings

krod47nw · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2012, 04:12:47 PM »

One big advantage to the 610 other than the moon clips is you can also shoot 40 S&W which have less recoil and are much less expensive. I've shot more 40s in mine than 10mm.

Kevin

1911crazy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2012, 08:47:56 AM »

Sorry i don't know oo much about this so William your shooting an auto pistol round out of a revolver right? I seen the 45acp revolvers but never gave them much thought.

williamlayton · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2012, 01:12:21 PM »

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I have a model 25 which is now a .45acp. At various times S&W has made both the M25 & M625 in .45 colt or long colt. T times the M625 which has been designated a Mountain Gun has been i .45 long colt, .44 mag and I think .41 mag.
I would like a .45colt ina S&W DA/SA.
I am pretty sure I am really stupid.

Blessings

yorketransport · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2012, 05:59:49 PM »

I've had a few 41 mags, and I loved them all. There is just something about the M 610 though which fascinates me.

After I picked up a 6.5" 610 a few years ago I stopped shooting my other revolvers. In fact I sold 2 41mags, the 44 Mag, and the 45 Colt. The 610 shot better than any of the others, which all shot very well I might add. It's not overly powerful, but it is sufficient for deer an reasonable ranges. I have more appropriate guns if I wish to hunt larger critters with a handgun.

If all of the model 610 revolvers handle and function as well as mine, then I don't see a need for a 41 mag. I could certainly rationalize both if I had room in the safe. But space is limited for me so those guns which don't get shot, get moved on down the road. The 610 on my hip and a few moon clips loaded up with different handloads in my pocket makes for a great day in the woods.

Andrew

1911crazy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2012, 01:22:05 PM »

The last trip to my LGS he only had a new S&W M629 classic 44mag and a new S&W M625 in 45 LC left in the case. He was sold out of all the other new S&W N frame revolvers. I would like to get both of them though. Then i'm only missing the M27 or M28 in 357mag. These can get expensive and habit forming very quickly.
Does the 10mm have the same exact ballastics as the 41mag does??

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2012, 01:55:07 AM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on December 19, 2012, 01:22:05 PM

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Does the 10mm have the same exact ballastics as the 41mag does??

No the 41 out classes the 10 mm in most bullet weights but with light bullets the 10 mm starts to approach the the 41 but not quite. a 200 gr 10 mm maxes out around 1150 fps where a 41 mag 210 gr bullet can make 1400 fps . That is from Hornady handbook of cart. reloading 4th edition 1991 ventiage .

Mikey · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2012, 03:58:45 AM »

Willie: the only reason I would get the 610 is if I wanted yet opne more caliber to reload for. Also, from a revolver, the 10mm does not match up to the 41 magnum, which can be loaded soft and still be more than effective (look at the 40 S&W ballistics compared to the 10mm ballistics as a example).

Ask any of the shooters who use a N-frame S&W for speed matches how fast those large N-frame revolvers can be recharged using speed loaders - the full moon clips for the 610 leave little more to be desired, except for brass retention and if you are not competing, so what.

If the 610 is a L-frame it might be small enough to be more comfortable but a good set of grips (like theones you want for your M28) should make all the difference. jmo.

S.B. · « **Reply #14 on:** December 23, 2012, 04:58:13 PM »

I have to agree with Lloyd here the moon clips have always caught my eye but, wouldn't convert one of my other Smiths to them.
Steve

30calflash · « **Reply #15 on:** December 24, 2012, 05:10:14 AM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on December 19, 2012, 01:22:05 PM

The last trip to my LGS he only had a new S&W M629 classic 44mag and a new S&W M625 in 45 LC left in the case. He was sold out of all the other new S&W N frame revolvers. I would like to get both of them though. Then i'm only missing the M27 or M28 in 357mag. These can get expensive and habit forming very quickly.
Does the 10mm have the same exact ballastics as the 41mag does??

It is closer to a 357 mag, if you look at a Lyman reloading manual. Heavier bullet, somewhat slower but nothing to sneeze at even in a 5" barrel. Connects heavier with the target for hunting purposes also.

Probably as hard to find ammo/components as the 41 mag, but if locals load 40 S&W you should be ok.

yorketransport · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2012, 04:05:41 PM »

The 41mag is a significant step up from the 10mm. That's not to say the the 10mm doesn't serve a purpose though. I think that it bridges the gap between the 357 and 44 mag for people who run factory ammo. The 41 mag is closer to the 44 mag in power and recoil. The 10mm is closer to the 357.

Andrew

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2012, 06:44:45 PM »

While people say the 10mm is close to the 41 mag it is like saying the 357 sig is close to the 357 mag.
Yes and no. Yes in the 170 grain bullets are close in speed but the heavier 210 grained 41s are a lot more horse power and penetrate better.
The idea of the 41 was to give more power to a police officer than the 357 and where it failed was it was only available in N framed guns. Hunters then picked up the 41 and used it for large game.
The 10mm is the brain child of Col. Copper who wanted an auto version of the 41 mag.
The 10mm became a handfull as the FBI adopted it and the 40 S&W was created that fit into 9mm framed guns and gave the ballistics of 44 Special or 45 ACP with the 185 grain bullets.
I guess the better question is what are you going to do with the gun?
CCW, Either or should not matter. A full moon clip or a speed loader as spare ammo you will want to think of over penetration and where the heavy fast slug is going to go after you defend your self.
IDPA, steel challange? The full moon clips would help, the availability of 40 S&W at cheeper prices are a plus as well as the lower recoil for faster follow up shots
Hunting, sillouhettes, or bowling pins? more horse power and heavier bullets would be beneficial
Poking holes in paper either or I do not think there is a difference between the two and an N frame is an N Frame loaded with 10MM/40 S&W, 357 mag/ 38 Specials, 44 Special, 44 mags, 45 colts or 45 ACP. A large smooth revolver that is fun to shoot and can be had in barrels from 3 to 8 3/8".
Some are just cheaper to shoot then the others.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2013, 03:00:43 AM »

In reality the 10mm was to give more power and a flater shooting round than the 45 ACP which it does. Why compare it to a revolver at all ? a 10 mm with 10 to 15 rounds offers more power than a revolver with 5-6 rounds or even 8 rounds in the case of the S&W 357 mag.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #19 on:** January 03, 2013, 05:10:51 PM »

Shootall,
Normally I would agree with you.
While most of the semi auto versions of the popular revolver rounds are a wimpy version and are usually only 80-90% of the power of the revolver round and the capacity of the auto along with the ability to carry multiple magazines with high volumes of ammo compared to the speed loaders or even the full moon clips the Auto has a tactical advantage and hte slightly wimpier rounds do not matter when you are sending two or three into any attackers.
The problem with your argument is that the S&W N frames of either a 57, 58 or 657 in 41 mag has 6 rounds and the S&W 610 that William is talking about is also an N framed gun using 6 round full moon clips. The advantage the 10mm has over the 41 is only in the ability to shoot cheaper factory loaded 40 S&W rounds and uses the clips for shooting sports like IDPA, Tactical, or other steel games.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2013, 02:00:59 AM »

As noted , but the full moon clips still offer an advantage over speed loaders IE fire power Then one could argure the faster second , third , etc. shots due to less recoil

. But your point is well taken.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2013, 03:59:28 AM »

I once read an article about 45 Acp vs 357 mag by Chuck Taylor.
He argued the advantages of an auto and his opinion that the only home fitting the 357 is the N frame and that the k or then new L frames were not strong enough for a steady diet of full house loads.
He then went on to say how the N frame was too large to carry and how the 1911 was slim and trim and easier to hide on your person. And I was buying the article up untill the end when he said for those that like the revolver a Model 25 or 625 would be perfect for you. And then I thought why is the N Frame in 45acp able to hide and work well but the same N frame in 357 would not, now granted the 45 has larger holes and should be slightly lighter, but he did not say the 357 N was heavy just too large.
At that point i realized Chuck had drunk too much from the cult of colt cool aide and nothing he wrote would be objective.
And again the question still remains as to what you want to use the revolver for. Hunting or bowling pins the extra power may help but when i was shooting bowling pins I was shooting a 180 grain jacket hollow point at 1,000 feet per second out of my 44 that worked well for me, and shazam that is about the speed of a 40 S&W with a 180 grain bullet. hunting on the other hand I would want the extra horse power and reloads are usually not needed.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2013, 05:22:52 AM »

The reality is a gun revolver incluned is in the most basic form is an internal combustion engine with un restrained piston. Why should a gun last longer than any other internal combustion engine ?