Author Topic: cases sticking (Read 1024 times)

DANNY-L · « **on:** October 11, 2012, 07:23:35 AM »

I have looked several times in the stickies but can't find how to fix the problem of fired cases sticking in a friends 243win.w/ejector. Load is 44gr h414,cci250,85gr sierra bthp which is not a max load. I have a 1"group but have to use a cleaning rod to knock out the case. I saw dinny's sticky on the ejector not up far enough to catch the rim,this rifle is the same way as well as my 243 but I haven't had any ejector issue's. I disasemmbled the ejector group and cleaned it but it didn't change anything. The rifle locks up good. I have tried a few other bullet,powder combinations and same thing.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2012, 07:26:00 AM »

Do the ejector tune as well as chamber polish as detailed in the FAQs.

Tim

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2012, 08:40:35 AM »

44 gns with a mag primer is right at the top of Hodgdon's data. You might try reducing the load a little.

ropadop · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2012, 11:29:34 AM »

I went to rcbs small base dies for 308win.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2012, 12:26:59 PM »

I backed off the load 1.5gr and I will try that tomorrow. I'm thinking it must be in the load cause 100gr rem didn't stick allthough accuracy was more like a pattern than a group. Thanks all

DANNY-L · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2012, 09:03:05 AM »

Cases are still sticking at a rate of 2 out of 4 shots. I noticed that when I shoot and the bullet hits about 5" or so off target that the case will be stuck and sure enough it'll be stuck. When loading the cartridge passes over the ejector and into the chamber and when closing the action the ejector will slide down and pop back up into the rim of the case,I think at times the ejector isn't falling into place causing the ejector to bind a bit on the case. Any clue's on what to do. I've read the stickies so much that i'm stuck. My load is under max also,cci 200,85gr sierra bthp,43gr imr4350,oal 2.650". Chamber and brass is clean and dry also. Almost forgot to mention that after firing the action lever is very hard to push down,once down the action opens right up easy.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2012, 09:25:53 AM »

Danny L

From what I'm seeing your having max pressure issues , I relize that the data I'm looking at is for a Barnes TSX bullet not the Sierra BUT - Hodgdon's web site shows a MAX load at 40.7 grains of IMR 4350 a full 2.3g over max .

Now don't get me wrong , every firearm is a world un-to itself and you may be ok with some rifles at max while others hit their max well before you hit max data loads .

stimpy

Sourdough · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2012, 09:55:53 AM »

The case is supposed to stop when the rim hits the ejector. If it goes all the way down past the ejector you need to tune the ejector or you have a part missing or damaged in the ejector system.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:14:21 PM »

I used lyman data and verified it with nosler which list max load as 44gr. I have taken the ejector apart,all parts are in place none missing,I cleaned and touched up all surfaces which didn't help. I was looking it over a few minutes ago and noticed that the large roll pin when open has the contact with the frame and makes the ejector operate but when the rifle is open the pin touching the frame actually pulls the ejector downward enableing the next cartridge you want in slide right over the top of the ejector. If you close the action enough to relieve pressure between pin and frame the ejector comes up where it will catch the rim of the case like it should. I'm at a standstill now wondering how to remidy this. Thanks guys

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:21:09 PM »

Welcome to the wonderful world of ejector Handis, now ya know why H&R got tired of complaints and switched to extractors, much to the dismay of those that don't have problems! $:-\$ Did you do the ejector tune and chamber polish as shown in the FAQs? Those usually fix the problem, the ejector is supposed to drop down so a round can be chambered, look at the ejector parts pic in the FAQs, make sure all parts are there, a missing or damaged lift button or spring will cause problems, make sure all parts including the ejector housing are clean, lube with a dry lube like Hornady One Shot or Elmer's Slide-All.

Tim

DANNY-L · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:35:50 PM »

Quick I did exactly that,even put a BB in front of the spring thinking it might help. It doesn't seem right to me that when the action is fully open that the roll pin should be causing the ejector to lower enough that a case can slide completly over it without any contact at all,but by closing just a hair the ejector stays up enough to catch the case and will move with spring tension but when fully opened there is no moving the ejector, it is held down low with tension from the barrelweight and like wedging the roll pin and frame. What needs to be done to stop the ejector from being pulled down like that. Hope I explained this right.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:46:28 PM »

That's exactly how it's supposed to work, the round can be fully chambered and the ejector will slide under the rim when the action is closed, you may need a new ejector, it may be the wrong one, or has been damaged or has been replaced by one for a different chambering and not fitted properly.

Tim

DANNY-L · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2012, 01:06:31 PM »

If the round is suppose to slide all the way in and when ya close the action the extractor is suppose to go down and back up well I guess there is nothing wrong because thats what it does. Now to try and figure why 1/3rd of the fired brass has to be taped out. Maybe some new brass as these have been loaded 3-4 times. Always full length resized. Thanks

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2012, 01:39:25 PM »

Next time you size some of that brass, chamber a clean empty FL sized case and close the action just like you were gonna shoot it, if it won't eject, you need to adjust your sizing die down a little to completely size the case, you may even have to cut the shell holder down a little or shorten the bottom of the die if it's bottomed out already so they can be sized for your chamber and they'll chamber and not stick, this is what I call a poor man's small base die, I've done it many times with good success.

Tim

DANNY-L · « **Reply #14 on:** October 14, 2012, 03:28:14 PM »

I'll keep that in mind. I do try several rounds after resizing with no issue and no problem chambering and ejecting live rounds it's after they are fired that they stick.

blind ear · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2012, 12:56:28 AM »

Have a 20 ga, took a lot of chamber polishing to get it to eject. Took a bore brush wrapped it with steel wool and drove it with a drill. ear

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:34:50 AM »

anny

Have you checked your case OL , some may have grown to the point that they need trimming and only show an issue when pressure is applyed at firing .

stimpy

sobeit · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2012, 12:53:39 PM »

Had same problem. Polished chamber...400wet / dry paper on a wood dowel...Next and most important , after reloading, burnished each round with steel fur. All case lube MUST be removed. My 243 now throws empties over my shoulder.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2012, 01:38:42 PM »

Stimply all cases were trimmed to the minimum each time they were reloaded. Sobeit what do ya mean burnished each round with steel fur? I polished the crap out of the chamber today and will find out just how good tomorrow. Question though will a stuck case throw accuracy,seems that when shooting if a round hits off the mark the case is stuck.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:49:39 AM »

Well I've done about everything mentioned as well as some articles mentioned in the stickies. Went out this morning and fired 10 rounds without issues, I also backed my charge down a bit more so the combination of everything seems to be working and hopefully it will last. I'm going to leave it alone and be satisfied with a 1.3" group @ 100yds. Thanks to everyone that helped me get this working.

Sourdough · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:53:08 AM »

Quick, none of my Handi's will allow a rimless case to go all the way in without the ejector catching on the grove at the case head. They all stop the case from going all the way in. At about 3/4 of the way in the case makes contact with the ejector and slides against it till it clicks up into the groove, holding it part way out of the chamber. When I close the gun it pushes the case all the way in. I'm talking about one .243, two .223s, one 25-06, two 30-06, and the .35 Whelen. One 30-06 did like you said they should do, that is the only one that ever failed to eject. I sent it back to H&R and they fixed it. Now it does just like the others. No more fail to eject.

My TCRs do the same thing, they stop the case by the extractor sliding into the grove at the case head, stopping it from going all the way in till the action is closed.

Rog

DANNY-L · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:10:22 AM »

Well my dang group opened back up to about 3" and I started getting stuck cases again but I did notice that the one's that stuck and I remembered to check have all been federal brass,does that make sense. I do remember reading once that fed brass was thicker but that would be on the inside not outside.Sourdough I have a 22 hornet that loads as you describe but I have 2 243's sitting here that don't do it that way but does it as quick said they should.

Sourdough · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:54:09 AM »

Do they all eject each and every time? Like I said one of my 30-06s did that. The ejection was intermitten, sometimes they would stick and sometimes they would eject. That's the ojne I sent back to H&R and they fixed it to where it now grabs the shell before it is all the way into the chamber. No more failures to eject.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #23 on:** October 17, 2012, 12:54:50 AM »

It is now sticking at a rate of about 1 every 10,it also stuck 1 new full length resized wim. case. I'm thinking it should probably be sent in cause this is bs and I would like to keep the rifle. All the negative I have read over the last week maybe I should even get rid of it and get either a 223 or 7mm08

gcrank1 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 17, 2012, 07:37:38 AM »

You really ought to be testing this with segregated by brand brass, preferably from the same lot, all trimmed and verified, and fired only once until checking length again, etc. Just because you have trimmed to the 'trim to length' by the book also does not mean you arent on the ragged edge for your chamber. A tad over length will crimp the case around the bullet tighter, raising pressures (as will a different brand with only a tad thicker neck wall thickness). You are the only one who is control of these details and data and your results are telling you some things.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #25 on:** October 17, 2012, 08:15:36 AM »

The brass was trimmed to minimum length of 2.035 not max length 2.045 after each firing. For lot number I have no idea i got it all once fired except for 1 bag of win. Like I mentioned it appears that only the federal brass was sticking except 1 pc of win brass. I threw the fed brass away and so far haven't had a stuck case.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 17, 2012, 08:49:28 AM »

Sounds like you win!