ok, craigster, i've seen the 25 krag. uses a .257 bullet. this is a .244. have not been able to find much info on this one. I have the form die the sizing die and seating die. I understand the form die is used to form cases from .30-40 krag cases. Just don't know how yet. I 've never done this operation, or even seen it done. I do not have a rifle to shoot them in anyway. but if this turns out to be not too difficult and a little fun maybe i will try to get a handi chambered for this round. Hoping someone on here has some advice for using the die and also perhaps someone has some experience with this round.