Hussein tells folks without elect to get help from the internet. DUUUUUUHHHH.

[powderman]

 Obama Fail: Tells People Without Power to Go to Internet for Help 10/30/12
From Politico.com:
 

When President Barack Obama urged Americans under siege from

Hurricane Sandy to stay inside and keep watch on ready.gov for the latest, he left out something pretty important — where to turn if the electricity goes out.
Despite the heightened expectation of widespread power and cable television failures, everyone from the president to local newscasters seem to expect the public to rely entirely on the Internet and their TVs for vital news and instructions.
 
None of the major cable or local news channels put emergency phone numbers or key radio station frequencies on their screens. The only phone-related instructions on the homepage of ready.gov is how to get monthly disaster-prep text messages. The Federal Emergency Management Agency told the public via Twitter to use texts and social media outlets to stay informed.
TV and radio are still the primary methods of getting information about Hurricane Sandy to the public, but social media are increasingly important to those efforts, FEMA chief Craig Fugate said Monday. From Breitbart:
 

Telephone landlines and battery-powered radios have always been important sources of information during natural and man-made disasters.
The biggest failure here is that the most vulnerable storm victims, the elderly, are all asking themselves, "What's a social media?"

Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121030009-power-fail.html#MJLm1WIxECT9JEHX.99

[Anna]

How do you bring up the Internet if you don't have the electricity to do that with ?  And with cell towers bring down also your iPhone isn't going to be much good!
Oh Powderman I've got it ! Al Gores wonderful invention is going to just pop to life and tell you what
to do according to Obama ! And some people want HIM for president ?
What an oxymoron, and i do mean that literally !

[yellowtail3]

Re: Hussein tells folks without elect to get help from the internet. DUUUUUUHHHH.

PROOF POSITIVE that President Obama is a Moolim, one of Satan's Spawn! The White House is Satan's Den!

OH NOooooooooooooooooooo

[m-g Willy]

Obama Fail: Tells People Without Power to Go to Internet for Help 10/30/12

That's like helping a starving man, by telling him =  "EAT".

[yellowtail3]

[lakota]

Imagine the shitstorm had it been a stupid republican who made this stupid remark...but it was a stupid democrat who made the stupid remark so the remark isnt stupid at all and is being largely ignored. I hate to break it to some folks around here but this comment is just as dumb as the asinine rape comments made by some republicans recently.

[Anna]

Be sure to tell that to all the rape victims that end up being statistics after all of this is over.
I'm sure they will be overjoyed that Obama was so on the ball that they could have prevented that by getting help on a computer they didn't have. Somehow I don't think they will give a damn about what some republican said. Only that our so called leader was so stupid .
That one statement should cause him to lose this election by a landslide ! At least Bush never put his foot in his mouth like this during Katrina.

[Cheesehead]

If you are connected to the telephone company Internet they have battery backup and generator backup with a battery powered laptop you would be good to go

[powderman]

When an ice storm hit about 2 years ago we had no power or phone. You might know that my wifes cell was dead. I got to the car where I had a new charger, like to broke my neck getting there. Had to break just over 2 in of ice off the car then had trouble opening the door. FINALLY, WHEW. Got the cell charged, got to the house, and found that all cell towers were not working. POWDERMAN. 

[Anna]

If you are connected to the telephone company Internet they have battery backup and generator backup with a battery powered laptop you would be good to go

Those back up generators usually only have enough fuel to run them at half load for around 48 hours.
Most of them run on propane, a great fuel but not known for its portability.
Where these machines are located mostly is what's called a CO,command office.The small buildings you see dotted here and there in the countryside .These make up the backbone of a telephones ability
to be connected to other COs around them and on and on.Take out one of these and the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. No tower no phone it's that fragile, it's the same with your land line.
Cell and land line traffic can go through the same CO. The phone company's did not set up special COs
for both of them or for the internet. And if service stations can not get fuel, you can bet the phone company's are not fairing any better.

[Cheesehead]

Again, I am talking about land lines...

Propane tanks can be refilled or replaced, even without electricity.

So, everybody every where on the east coast has no internet?

[Anna]

Again, I am talking about land lines...

Propane tanks can be refilled or replaced, even without electricity.

So, everybody every where on the east coast has no internet?

And if the trucks can not get to some of these remote COs what then ? And the propane has to come from somewhere just like gas does.  And land lines are more subseptable to interruption then cells are.
One crazy backhoe operator took out over 13000 phones in Colorado last year when he plowed through the fiber optic cables underground . Then there are the microwave towers that fail because of weather , birds , vandalism , power failure , its all land line stuff in the end. Your only showing that you have no idea what a CO is or what it does.  They don't just run your neighbors phone line over to you like two cans on a string. Im sure a lot of people still have the Internet, i never said that dont exagerate or put words in my mouth if you dont mind. But are you saying that there were no Internet or phone outages after that storm ? 

[Anna]

You sir are missing the point of the whole thread. Obama is telling people without power to go on the web to a website that will tell them what to do. Even if the phone lines were operating which is doubtful after 48 hours in a lot of places.  Hurricanes the last time I checked didn't cut a CO any special favors.  But what about those people not haveing the power to run or charge a computer in the first place? Car chargers, after awhile of doing that, they didn't have the gas to charge the car battery back up much less anything else. And most people didn't have a generator in their back pocket or the gas to run one ! 

[Cheesehead]

You are talking about back hoes now. Phone companies have large fleets of vehicles and back up generators and back up fuel stores. Crews, trucks and fuel and generators would be sent from many areas to affected areas. One more thing, it is called a Central Office, not a command office. I do understand your hatred of Obama, but is has clouded your judgement. And I did not put words in your mouth, I posted a question. 

Cheese

[Anna]

Call it what you want it's a command office , the central office is usually downtown and the commands feed into it. I was married to a phone coop general manager for 14 years I think I know what I'm talking about.  During storms he had to always get up and go out because a CO was down.
Yes backhoe, but it wasn't the focus of my conversation like your trying to make it sound like it was.

Once more as you evade the facts with liberal rhetoric, if you do not have the fuel you are not going to roll anything no matter how many trucks or gen sets you have .
If you wish to start a fight like it sounds like you do, let's go to PM like the rules say.Your question was not a question, it was an apparent rhetorical statement you knew the answer to, but used it anyway to trip me up with a question mark behind it. I to understand that your love for Obama has brainwashed any shred of comprehension you may have once had. All that is left is riddles and bait tactics you use when you can't come up with anything else .

I didn't need to know the size of a phone company's fleet, it was about if they had the fuel to use that fleet or not. Now you are talking about a lot of vehicles and generators with lots of back up fuel.
Got pics , locations, availability, and current inventory assessments? I didn't think so .

[Cheesehead]

 Now you have resorted to name calling. I am not a liberal and am not interesting your politics, just the technical accuracy of your statements. I know a Central Office is a data and voice switching area and not a tin can with a string. You say land lines are more susceptible to interruption than cell towers. How do you think almost all cell towers operate? They are connected to Central Offices by copper of fiber optic cables, in fact where I live that is 100% true.  I need help in understanding your comparisons of reliability. Telephone companies have vast functioning fleets with fuel surrounding areas of outage, that’s how that works.
 
Cheese

[Anna]

Isn't that what I said ? Or did you take the time to read it ? You call them what you want i will mine.
But I warned you about this and for you to take it OFFLINE !  But you send me a PM saying that you want to fight on the site or else, big man. The rules say offline, or have you read them? Name calling,    i believe it was you that started that about my clouded reasoning.
Now take it off the board as the rules say, this is the fourth time I have asked you to do that now.
Outside as they say anywhere else also, or in person I have no problem with that either.
But the people here do not want to hear this crap, so the question is once more. Are you man enough to meet me outside ?

[Cheesehead]

Been there, done that, not impressed and done with it.

Cheese

[FPH]

If you are connected to the telephone company Internet they have battery backup and generator backup with a battery powered laptop you would be good to go

Those back up generators usually only have enough fuel to run them at half load for around 48 hours.
Most of them run on propane, a great fuel but not known for its portability.
Where these machines are located mostly is what's called a CO,command office.The small buildings you see dotted here and there in the countryside .These make up the backbone of a telephones ability
to be connected to other COs around them and on and on.Take out one of these and the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. No tower no phone it's that fragile, it's the same with your land line.
Cell and land line traffic can go through the same CO. The phone company's did not set up special COs
for both of them or for the internet. And if service stations can not get fuel, you can bet the phone company's are not fairing any better.

Actually the back up batteries are good for about 2 hrs, the the backup gen sets have two tanks worth of fuel......all I have put in for SWBT-(now at&t are diesel.)  They are geared to go longer than 48 hours,  A CO is a Central Office.  I've done GC work for the telephone Co. since 1986.  I've put these in from El Paso to Hobbs.

[Anna]

Been there, done that, not impressed and done with it.

Cheese

Good for you, at least you have some sense. Now I will see you on the outside.

[Anna]

If you are connected to the telephone company Internet they have battery backup and generator backup with a battery powered laptop you would be good to go

Those back up generators usually only have enough fuel to run them at half load for around 48 hours.
Most of them run on propane, a great fuel but not known for its portability.
Where these machines are located mostly is what's called a CO,command office.The small buildings you see dotted here and there in the countryside .These make up the backbone of a telephones ability
to be connected to other COs around them and on and on.Take out one of these and the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. No tower no phone it's that fragile, it's the same with your land line.
Cell and land line traffic can go through the same CO. The phone company's did not set up special COs
for both of them or for the internet. And if service stations can not get fuel, you can bet the phone company's are not fairing any better.

Actually the back up batteries are good for about 2 hrs, the the backup gen sets have two tanks worth of fuel......all I have put in for SWBT-(now at&t are diesel.)  They are geared to go longer than 48 hours,  A CO is a Central Office.  I've done GC work for the telephone Co. since 1986.  I've put these in from El Paso to Hobbs.

My oldest brother put them in for Dell City, ENMR, PVT, Leaco, Roosevelt, and AT&T. And they all called the small microwave repeaters a command office. Or a central office, Ive heard it referred to both ways. I guess it depended on who you were talking to at the time. But over 90% of them were ONANs and they ran on propane.
Diesels didn't start showing up until the late 90s. And I have been out with my brother when the largest gen set used by PVT at Cottonwood in a power failure only lasted 48 hours. The misinterpretation here is what's rural and what's municipality. Most all the repeaters were rural, and never had anything larger than a 30kw. Leaco always referred to their microwave repeaters as a command office, and their main office in Lovington as the Central office.
And they still do as far as I know, but if you want proof of this would you like me to start naming names ? Because I sure can, and if you were around during the late 80s I'm sure you will recognize some of them. But if you were in Hobbs back then that would have been GTE , and Leaco.
GTE later sold out to Valor , who sold out to Windstream.  I was married to one of these guys.
We all knew the guy from ONAN Corp. very well, who had the maintenance contract on the back up generators on all the sites for about six phone company's.
So I might know something .

[lakota]

If you are in the affected area and assuming you can get on the internet and "ask" for help who is going to answer your inquiry? What if they cant get online to answer your e-mail? Do you think the power company is answering e-mails right now? Fact of the matter is that this is still a very dumbass remark made by Obama.

[nw_hunter]

Note to Anna and Cheesehead! If you two want to spit and hiss at each other.............Do it in a PM.

[Anna]

Thank you .

[FPH]

If you are connected to the telephone company Internet they have battery backup and generator backup with a battery powered laptop you would be good to go

Those back up generators usually only have enough fuel to run them at half load for around 48 hours.
Most of them run on propane, a great fuel but not known for its portability.
Where these machines are located mostly is what's called a CO,command office.The small buildings you see dotted here and there in the countryside .These make up the backbone of a telephones ability
to be connected to other COs around them and on and on.Take out one of these and the chain is only as strong as its weakest link. No tower no phone it's that fragile, it's the same with your land line.
Cell and land line traffic can go through the same CO. The phone company's did not set up special COs
for both of them or for the internet. And if service stations can not get fuel, you can bet the phone company's are not fairing any better.

Actually the back up batteries are good for about 2 hrs, the the backup gen sets have two tanks worth of fuel......all I have put in for SWBT-(now at&t are diesel.)  They are geared to go longer than 48 hours,  A CO is a Central Office.  I've done GC work for the telephone Co. since 1986.  I've put these in from El Paso to Hobbs.

Your right, the local service in 94 was GTE.......I was doing the fiber optic for at&t for lomg distance ( actually I was expanding the current repeater. The Ge set was from Hobbs Cummins Diesel, and it was 30kw.


My oldest brother put them in for Dell City, ENMR, PVT, Leaco, Roosevelt, and AT&T. And they all called the small microwave repeaters a command office. Or a central office, Ive heard it referred to both ways. I guess it depended on who you were talking to at the time. But over 90% of them were ONANs and they ran on propane.
Diesels didn't start showing up until the late 90s. And I have been out with my brother when the largest gen set used by PVT at Cottonwood in a power failure only lasted 48 hours. The misinterpretation here is what's rural and what's municipality. Most all the repeaters were rural, and never had anything larger than a 30kw. Leaco always referred to their microwave repeaters as a command office, and their main office in Lovington as the Central office.
And they still do as far as I know, but if you want proof of this would you like me to start naming names ? Because I sure can, and if you were around during the late 80s I'm sure you will recognize some of them. But if you were in Hobbs back then that would have been GTE , and Leaco.
GTE later sold out to Valor , who sold out to Windstream.  I was married to one of these guys.
We all knew the guy from ONAN Corp. very well, who had the maintenance contract on the back up generators on all the sites for about six phone company's.
So I might know something .
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You are right, the local service was provided by GTE in 94.  I was expanding the fiber optic repeater for at&t(expanding the building and providing redundancy for the fiber optic cable).  The Gen set was provided by Hobbs Cummins and it was 30 kw. and it was diesel.  This was a repeater station and not a CO.