Bin Laden Killing Questioned...

[TM7]

questioned from many quarters, from presstv.com...........fyi....TM7.
 
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No US sailor saw Bin Laden’s alleged burial.
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:31PM86 13 .
More than a year  after Navy SEALs supposedly killed former CIA asset Osama bin Laden, a FOIA by  the Associated Press has produced emails revealing that no American sailors  aboard the USS Carl Vinton witnessed the terrorist’s burial at  sea.

The heavily  redacted emails are said to be the first public disclosure of government  information about the undocumented assassination.

An email  supposedly sent by a Navy officer claims Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in  a white sheet, and then placed in a weighted bag, according to the Daily Mail.  Another email allegedly sent by Vinson’s public affairs officer claims only a  small group of the ship’s leadership was informed of the  burial.

“A military  officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a  native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared  flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased’s body slid into the sea,” Adm.  Charles Gaouette said in the email.

Recipients of  the email included Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,  and Gen. James Mattis, top officer at U.S. Central  Command.

The Defense  Department previously said it did not have any photographs or video to support  its claim the SEALs killed the al-Qaeda leader. It also admitted there were no  images taken of Bin Laden’s body on the Vinton.

The Pentagon  does not have a death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA  identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the  government planned to dispose of bin Laden’s body if he were killed, the Daily  Mail reports.

In May, 2011,  the Obama administration mulled releasing photographs purportedly showing the  body of Bin Laden with “a massive head wound above his left eye where he took  bullet (sic), with brains and blood visible.” No such photos were ever  produced.

“We are going to  do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that  we got Osama bin Laden,” John Brennan, Obama’s counterterrorism adviser, said  following the alleged assassination. Brennan said the government will “share  what we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but  the world understand exactly what happened.”

Despite a  complete lack of evidence, the government and the corporate media now routinely  insist Obama ordered the military to kill Osama bin Laden at a compound in  Pakistan.

Former State  Department official Steve Pieczenik told Alex Jones last May that the staged  assassination was nothing more than “American theater of the absurd” and a photo  supposedly showing members of the Obama administration watching a live video  feed of the assassination was fabricated.

Pieczenik and  others, including members of the FBI and Israeli intelligence, believe Osama  died in late 2001, soon after the United States military invaded Afghanistan. On  December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting  that bin Laden had died in mid-December and Taliban officials had attended the  funeral. President Musharraf of Pakistan and president Hamid Karzai of  Afghanistan also publicly stated in 2002 they believe Osama bin Laden died in  2001. infowars.com

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[jlwilliams]

  Well, ..... maybe.  Consider what is possible verses what is probable and likely.  Is it more likely that no US sailor saw the burrial, or that no US sailor will publicly say that they saw it?  No DNA test?  Or no one saying that they did it or saw the results?  Myself, I don't see why no one would publicly open up about it.  I would think that trumpeting it from the highest mountain would be the way to go.  I'd have taxidermed him and put him on display at ground zero, but that's just me.  I'm not in charge.  That's probably better, me not being in charge.
 
  Is it more likely that he died a decade ago?  That he died in combat as a marter and the Taliban opted for a quiet no frills funeral rather than lionising him in the Muslim world?  Or is it more likely that he was sheltered and hidden in Pakistan until the CIA figured out where he was and the SEALs paid him a visit? 
 
  I just think that "no one saw it" means doodly squat.  I'm betting he hid as long as he could and got shot like a rabbid dog then dumped in the Indian Ocean.  All hands ordered to shut the heck up.  I'm betting on that.

[Defoe]

  I just think that "no one saw it" means doodly squat.  I'm betting he hid as long as he could and got shot like a rabbid dog then dumped in the Indian Ocean.  All hands ordered to shut the heck up.  I'm betting on that.

you're right,  they killed him, but there seems to be an underground of people who disbelieve any operation by the US government that ends well.  on the other hand, they disbelieve that radical islam killed 3000 people in NY city and blame that on the government.
they need to get a life.

[SHOOTALL]

OBL was wanted , he was the #1 wanted man with regard to terroist . Bush it is noted in the book ELITE KILLERS orderd him killed and his head brought back on dry ice. You should look farther into how intel was handled at the time of 9/11 before and after (poorly). The joint chiefs were reluctant to use the military to gather intel in fear they may turn into another failure like other missions did in Africa and South America. It would be a career killer for any officer that approved the mission where another soilder got killed. Rumsfield helped change that. But it took time to create the network of spys to help find OBL. I don't know when he was taken out but there was plenty of opertunity under both Bush and Clinton that the military turned down blaming the White house . TM-7 I always play the devils advocate in these post but this time there would be little to base opposition on.

[SHOOTALL]

OBL was wanted , he was the #1 wanted man with regard to terroist . Bush it is noted in the book ELITE KILLERS orderd him killed and his head brought back on dry ice. You should look farther into how intel was handled at the time of 9/11 before and after (poorly). The joint chiefs were reluctant to use the military to gather intel in fear they may turn into another failure like other missions did in Africa and South America. It would be a career killer for any officer that approved the mission where another soilder got killed. Rumsfield helped change that. But it took time to create the network of spys to help find OBL. I don't know when he was taken out but there was plenty of opertunity under both Bush and Clinton that the military turned down blaming the White house . TM-7 I always play the devils advocate in these post but this time there would be little to base opposition on.

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OBL was never wanted for 911,,,not by the FBI nor on their list for the 911 Hoax. In fact, he denied having anything to do with it and condemned it.....this is fact repeorted.He had been on the wanted list before 9/11 as had his top command  The apologies for the intell shoelaces being tied together thus allowing 911 to occur is hollow. US intell was just as active then as now.not really at the time it was mostly being used to catch drug dealers in South America . The intel impotnecy notion was just part of the Official 911 Cosnpsiracy Theory and to justify mega- budgets psot Cold War.....NOBODY GOT FIRED--JUST PERMOTED.We can disagree on that point if you wish but the spying was mostly eletronic at the time with few agents on the ground. The CIA was not providing the intel the military needed at the time from what has been published. Bush Jr later went on to say he didn'ty know where OBL was or even care!  The belief that approx 14 US intell outfits, copiously funded, could not find a 6'4", left handed most well known arab sheik, speaking in poetry, once holding rank of US Colonel and on payroll, dependent on dialysis, last seen in the US hospital in Quatar just before 911 Hoax--erroneously claimed to be 911 mastermind....IS BEYOND THE PALE AND UTTERLY HIGH SMELLING BS.No one said they could not find him what I said was it took time to get agents on the ground to establish relations with people in the reagion that could help track him down . Which they did.
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But if you prefer to support Obama's version_ _be my guest..I don't support either really as not enough facts are out to really determine what happened but jumping to conclusions and not addressing facts shows little in the intrest of truth.
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[jlwilliams]

  There may well be plenty of lies in the 'official' story of BinLaden's life, death and his past as an inteligence 'asset', which may or may not be true either.  Which proves.....nothing.  This administration has a history of telling FOIA requestees that 'no such record exists' when they don't want to give up a given bit of info.  The fact that they can't or won't cough up a death certificate means......nothing.  The last administration had an odd relationship with the truth as well.  No surprise if half of all that we have been told in the last few decades is crap.  Which half?  I dunno.   Still, if he'd been dead since '01 I don't see our gov or the Jihadis wanting anything other than to tell the world.  Each side for their own reason.  No proof from our government doesn't mean much either way.  Is it possible that this is all a big show?  Sure.  But why?  To get Obama re-elected?  Probably not.  More likely is, like I said before, that he hid and was hidden (can't help but notice that no one seems to be on the hook for helping him all these years) but his lucky rabbit foot wore out.  Then the bang-bang guys showed up.
 
  There is a ton we don't know.  That's a given.  A writer namded Daniel Hopsicker did a great book on the trackable movements of Mohammed Atta in Florida.  There is a ton of solid doccumentation counter to the official government position of how long he was in the US and how much help he got from whom in that time.  It's a great read.  There is more to what happened than we know.  Does it prove any of the conspiracy theories?  Not really.  It proves we are lied to, but not what the truth is.  Were some or all of the hijackers paid assets at various times in the past?  Guys you'd expect the gov to be on the lookout for?  Maybe.  There are only so many real players in the game.  I'm more inclined to believe we were lied to to cover ineptitude than to cover up Cheney blasting towers with his own hand, but that's just me.  No theories are proven, they are just theories.
 
  I just don't buy that "No one saw" or "The gov won't show ______ doccuments" means anything.  He got shot in the noodle and dumped in the sea.  End of the tall sheik.

[mechanic]

The truth is we may never truly know.  There is no seal team 6, it's just a pseudonymn for a JSOC operation.  And we've had an unusual amount of breaking of the code of silence by some of the supposed operators.
 
In this  case, I'm a bit suspicious, but I won' t live the 75 years for the files to be made public.  You can bet they have made sure he's dead by some means, because wouldn't it be a hoot for him to show up now?
 
Ben
 

[clum sum]

He is not dead,saw him yesterday beard bleached gained 110 lb,s he is playing Santa at a local Bass Pro.

[BUGEYE]

No US sailor saw Bin Laden’s alleged burial.

aw sure they did.  I bet the Captain called all hands to the flight deck to watch osama obama bin laden become shark bait.  they probably had coca-cola and popcorn and cheered when he went ker-plunk.

P.T. Barnum VII  could use a quote from P.T.Barnum to describe your latest conspiracy....

[jlwilliams]

The Truth you say shootall.....well, the truth is:

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Mr jlwilliams,,,please consider the fact that presenting total and truthful evidence of the official storyline to the American people_ _about the 911 Hoax and the OBL telaversion drama, would only add to the veracity of the official storylines.....right?
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......TM7

  I don't know if total disclosure of the truth and supporting evidence would do much to clear things up.  To make an example from history.  What if someone spillied the whole truth about the JFK killing.  Why knew, who paid, who did what.  The complete gospel truth just jaid right out.  You think anybody would believe it?  They'd listen and look, then say "Yeah....but...I know that ______ did it because bla bla bla".  Same here.  With all the 'truther' theories bubbling away, no one will believe anything but what they believe.  For all I know, all 19 Saudis were completely unknown to US officials, one of thei drivers licenses really was found undamage on to of the WTC rubble, and they knew all their names within a couple hours because of good old fassioned gumshoe investigating skills.  Probably not, but for all I know that's the truth.  I think it's more likely that most or all had been spooks of some type, had US training as is pretty common among allied foreign mil types, and many were likely paid informants or paid assets of some sort or another, and the US agencies paying them covered that up when they realised that the assets they thought they were running were in fact running their own game, running it into the WTC.
 
  But, short answer is; no.  No, I don't think the truth would clear anything up.  Too many divergent opinions already cast in cement.  Yours and mine included.
 
 

[SHOOTALL]

The guys looking for OBL called him Elvis 
TM7 , yea and we didn't land on the moon , JFK was shot by several ..................