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Offline guzzijohn

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Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« on: October 09, 2012, 01:25:24 PM »
I recently bought a 12C from an antique store for well below what most go for around here. It shows its age but it cleaned up fairly well and was shooting  well. After about 80 rounds it miss fed and the bolt would only go a bit over half way back. I took the take down screw out and the firing spring and this broken part fell out. I have a printed exploded view but I cannot tell exactly what it is. It appears to be either a carrier dog or the firing pin? Can anyone for sure ID this for me and if so can I get a replacement from Brownells or someplace else? It is to nice of rifle to give up on. Would really appreciate any help. Those of you that also use Rimfire Central, I joined it to get help with this but it will not allow me to post pictures. What is with that?


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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 03:32:46 PM »
Well, if your exploded diagram is as blurry as your picture posted here is that's easily understandable.   ;)   
 
My eyes can see what your picture is of well enough to even venture a guess.  Need a clear picture in the least.
 
Or you might try this to see if it helps you any...
 
http://www.wisnersinc.com/exploded_views/Rem_12.jpg
 
 
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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 03:24:52 AM »
Ladode,
Thanks for the response and the blow up. My camera is several years old and if I got it in total focus it was too small to make it out well and if closer it started to get fuzzy so I went for a happy medium. Anyway, I hoped it was good enough that someone familiar with model 12s would be able to ID it. With the diagram you sent I can at least eliminate a couple of things. Do you think that piece could be successfully JB welded?
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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 07:17:31 AM »
Familiar with this model in particular no, but worked on a lot of models of firearms 40 years ago.   Memory serves as well as memory serves these days, none of burned in it anymore, especially the various part designs.   The part is not identifyable from the picture for me, no description/relative size, where it fell out of, where it might fit back into, etc since it's not in hand.   Can't tell if it is a pin, retainer, rod, dog or stop for sure.   As I said further complicated on a model that has model revisions where parts design may have changed over the years of production.   Maybe the firing pin itself (slotted flat earliest, round later), maybe something else.  Many action parts could prevent full breech bolt travel if the stars align just right.
 
What I do know for certain, "welding" any firearm part is a last resort and certainly not the best choice.   Not something we did in our gunshop except very rarely.   We usually made new replacement parts ourselves if they were not readily available.    The exploded diagram I linked is a company that sold parts for them.   Numrich might as well, and other companies.   Far better choice would be to buy a replacement part from one of them.
 
Just my opinions and guesses, YMMV.
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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 03:08:42 PM »
Just got done fixing one and yup, can't ID from that picture. Maybe a fireing pin that really shattered. What is the serial number as that will hint as to which firing pin it is.
That link to Wisner's is the place to get parts . they sent me all the right stuff in about a week.

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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 11:00:22 AM »
 Yep. Its a busted firing pin, though only half there. They have a window in them. Hope you got it going.

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Re: Help needed to ID Rem Model 12 pump part
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 02:43:30 AM »
Cornbelt was correct. It was the firing pin and the third missing part was not found until everything was pulled apart that why I was having a hard time IDing it. It is fixed now, yeah! Fun rifle to plink with.
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