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Federal officials to probe deadly train-parade float crash in Texas  Published November 16, 2012
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  MIDLAND, Texas –  Federal officials are heading to West Texas to join investigators looking into why a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans, killing four people and injuring 17 others.
Witnesses described a harrowing scene Thursday afternoon as the Union Pacific locomotive beard down on the decorated flatbed truck as it tried to clear the rail crossing on its way to an honorary banquet.
 
The train was sounding its horn and people on the flatbed truck -- mostly wounded veterans and their spouses -- were scrambling to jump off before the collision around 4:40 p.m. in Midland, according to witnesses and Union Pacific spokesman Tom Lange.
 
A preliminary investigation indicates the crossing gate and lights were working, Lange said, though he didn't know if the train crew saw the float approaching.
Two people died at the scene, while two others died at Midland Memorial Hospital, City of Midland spokesman Ryan Stout said. Six people remained hospitalized Thursday night, including at least one in critical condition; the other 11 people injured have been treated and released, hospital officials said.
 
About two dozen veterans and their spouses had been sitting in chairs on the float, set up on the back of a flatbed tractor-trailer decorated with American fnts were canceled.
The events were organized by Show Of Support, a local veterans group. Its president, Terry Johnson, did not immediately return an email for comment and his phone number was unlisted; the phone rang unanswered at the group's offices.
Stout, also the police department's spokesman, said he had no information about the individuals who died or the driver of the truck.
 
Lange said Union Pacific is offering help to the community and victims' families, as well as peer-to-peer counseling for the train crew, who did not sustain any injuries.
"There is going to be a very thorough investigation," Lange said. "It's obviously a very tragic incident."
The National Transportation Safety Board also is investigating, NTSB spokesman Peter Knudson said.
 
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta "was deeply saddened by news of the tragic accident involving veterans heroes and their spouses in Midland," Pentagon spokesman George Little said in a statement. "His thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims, with those injured in this incident, and with the entire community."
Midland is about 320 miles west of Dallas.

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Trains don't stop on a dime, even slow moving ones.  Lots of questions here.  The article said that the crossing signals were working.   So did the float driver ignore them?  Did the float driver expect the train to stop for them?  Were they trapped in a line of other vehicles and unable to clear the tracks?  Did the float break down?

With as many witnesses as there probably was you would think that the news media would have more details.
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in my little town there is a RR crossing just a block from a traffic signal and during parades and other community events people can easily get "trapped" on the tracks...


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News just said the crossing gates and lights started just as the semi started over and that the train was going 52 MPH. I thought that most towns or cities had speed limits on trains through town. I remember in ILL Our smal town imposed a limit which trains ignored for a while. One day the local and state police clocked the train at an excessive speed and drove to another crossing several miles away and blocked the track with a bunch of flashing lighted vehicles. The train stopped and the engineer was issued a speeding ticket, that worked well, no more speeding trains. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Why did the driver of the for named truck stop his rig across RR tracks ? The Midland/Odessa area is
heavy into the oil field. You can bet this rig being a flat bed tractor trailer was used for that and was donated to this event by a local company. This driver had to have a CDL in order to get near this rig.
The problem is, the oil field is now hireing any warm body with a CDL. 
It is not as mentioned here any fault what so ever of the locomotive or its engineer. It was the fault of the driver of the truck anyway you look at it .

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When the report said "the truck couldn't move because of the truck ahead of him" tells me he stopped on the tracks before the train activated the crossing arms.
With the weight of the train, somewhere in the vicinity of 12K tons, even at a speed of 30-40 mph the train would take at least 1/2 to 3/4 mile to stop.
I work for the RR and see this type of crossing violation quite often.

edit; I just read that it was traveling 67mph, 3miles under it's authorized speed of 70mph, at that speed even at an emergency stop with all brakes fully applied it will slide for around a mile and a half.

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Warning signals activated seconds before wounded vets struck by train   Warning signals activated seconds before wounded vets struck by train From left: Sgt. Maj. Gary Stouffer, 37; Sgt. Maj. Lawrence Boivin, 47; Army Sgt. Joshua Michael, 34, and Sgt. Maj. William Lubbers, 43, four veterans killed when a parade float they were riding on was struck by a freight train at a crossing Thursday, Nov. 15, 2012, in Midland, Texas, are seen in this combination of undated family photos.   Print Email
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|   by ABC News WHAS11.com Posted on November 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM      Related:   (ABC News) -- The warning signals at a railroad crossing were activated seven seconds before a flatbed truck full of wounded veterans crossed the tracks during a parade and was struck by a freight train, according to preliminary details released by the National Transportation Safety Board.

Four veterans were killed and 16 were injured in the accident, which happened on Thursday.

It is not yet clear when the train conductor applied the brake, but the question is one of dozens the board hopes to answer in the coming weeks.

"Our mission is to determine probable cause, which is to determine not just what happened but why," NTSB Board Member Mark Rosekind said. "And that why is critical for us to determine what safety recommendations need to be issued so this does not happen again."

Investigators will be on scene in Midland for seven to 10 days collecting evidence to bring to Washington, D.C., for processing. They will examine both vehicles and the gates that should have blocked the tracks. They will also contact all drivers, victims and witnesses.

Given that the area where the crash happened is a "quiet zone," Rosekind said his team will be looking into whether that played a role in the collision.

Established for train crossings near residential areas, quiet zones prohibit train engineers from sounding their horns unless there is an emergency, according to the San Antonio Express-News. These zones are also equipped with extra safety equipment, and it's up to the engineer to determine whether a situation warrants the horn.

Witnesses have said they heard the train sound its warning whistle just before the crack of the train hitting the flatbed full of wounded war veterans and their wives on their way to a banquet.

Trained for emergencies, many veterans jumped from their truck seconds before the train hit and immediately returned to help the wounded.

Sudip Bose, a front-line physician in Iraq, said his "instincts kicked in." He and many others, including special operations soldier Tommy Shoemaker, were quick to make tourniquets and resuscitate fellow veterans and their spouses.

At least two of the four men killed gave their lives to push their wives from danger, witnesses said.

Army Sgt. Maj. Lawrence Boivin deployed five times, but his final act was to shove his wife to safety at the expense of his own life.

"I saw the train hit the float," witness Jaime Garza said, pausing with emotion. "I made a quick U-turn to get back up there. The first person who was there was Lawrence. I had to help him out. And he gave me his last breath right there."

Army Sgt. Joshua Michael also died saving his wife.

On Friday morning, Midland Mayor Wes Perry was among the mourners at a vigil honoring the train collision victims, according to the Midland Reporter-Telegram.

"In my opinion this is maybe the most tragic event Midland has ever experienced, and the only thing I know to do is to gather together, be together like family as we are family, and to support each other, support those that lost their lives and support their families," Perry said. "We will be stronger on the other side once we get through this."
For more on this story, go to ABCNews.com.
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Only 7 sec warning. At least 2 died saving their wives. Heros til the end.
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2012, 07:47:53 AM »
Warning signals activated seconds before wounded vets struck by train   Warning signals activated seconds before wounded vets struck by train From left: Sgt. Maj. Gary Stouffer, 37; Sgt. Maj. Lawrence Boivin, 47; Army Sgt. Joshua Michael, 34, and Sgt. Maj. William Lubbers, 43, four veterans killed when a parade float they were riding on was struck by a freight train at a crossing Thursday, Nov. 15, 2012, in Midland, Texas, are seen in this combination of undated family photos.   Print Email
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|   by ABC News WHAS11.com Posted on November 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM      Related:   (ABC News) -- The warning signals at a railroad crossing were activated seven seconds before a flatbed truck full of wounded veterans crossed the tracks during a parade and was struck by a freight train, according to preliminary details released by the National Transportation Safety Board.

Four veterans were killed and 16 were injured in the accident, which happened on Thursday.

It is not yet clear when the train conductor applied the brake, but the question is one of dozens the board hopes to answer in the coming weeks.

"Our mission is to determine probable cause, which is to determine not just what happened but why," NTSB Board Member Mark Rosekind said. "And that why is critical for us to determine what safety recommendations need to be issued so this does not happen again."

Investigators will be on scene in Midland for seven to 10 days collecting evidence to bring to Washington, D.C., for processing. They will examine both vehicles and the gates that should have blocked the tracks. They will also contact all drivers, victims and witnesses.

Given that the area where the crash happened is a "quiet zone," Rosekind said his team will be looking into whether that played a role in the collision.

Established for train crossings near residential areas, quiet zones prohibit train engineers from sounding their horns unless there is an emergency, according to the San Antonio Express-News. These zones are also equipped with extra safety equipment, and it's up to the engineer to determine whether a situation warrants the horn.

Witnesses have said they heard the train sound its warning whistle just before the crack of the train hitting the flatbed full of wounded war veterans and their wives on their way to a banquet.

Trained for emergencies, many veterans jumped from their truck seconds before the train hit and immediately returned to help the wounded.

Sudip Bose, a front-line physician in Iraq, said his "instincts kicked in." He and many others, including special operations soldier Tommy Shoemaker, were quick to make tourniquets and resuscitate fellow veterans and their spouses.

At least two of the four men killed gave their lives to push their wives from danger, witnesses said.

Army Sgt. Maj. Lawrence Boivin deployed five times, but his final act was to shove his wife to safety at the expense of his own life.

"I saw the train hit the float," witness Jaime Garza said, pausing with emotion. "I made a quick U-turn to get back up there. The first person who was there was Lawrence. I had to help him out. And he gave me his last breath right there."

Army Sgt. Joshua Michael also died saving his wife.

On Friday morning, Midland Mayor Wes Perry was among the mourners at a vigil honoring the train collision victims, according to the Midland Reporter-Telegram.

"In my opinion this is maybe the most tragic event Midland has ever experienced, and the only thing I know to do is to gather together, be together like family as we are family, and to support each other, support those that lost their lives and support their families," Perry said. "We will be stronger on the other side once we get through this."
For more on this story, go to ABCNews.com.
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     Their is NO reason to stop on RR tracks no matter what you are driving truck, car, motorcycle, etc. etc. you never take a truck onto a set of tracks until you have enough room to completely clear the tracks.  Jim