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NRA loses another one.
« on: October 25, 2012, 12:49:53 PM »
 Court upholds ban on handgun sales to people under 21By Jonathan Stempel | Reuters – 4 hrs ago          (Reuters) - The United States may ban federally licensed firearms dealers from selling handguns to people under age 21, an appeals court ruled on Thursday, in a defeat for the National Rifle Association.
The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Houston rejected the NRA's argument that 18- to 20-year-olds had a right to buy the guns under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as the equal protection clause of the Fifth Amendment.
A unanimous three-judge panel said Congress, in a law dating from 1968, adopted the sales ban to help curb violent crime. It also said that the nation's founders and 19th-century courts and commentators believed that disarming specific groups did not trample on the right to bear arms.
"Congress was focused on a particular problem: young persons under 21, who are immature and prone to violence, easily accessing handguns," mainly from licensed dealers, Judge Edward Prado wrote for the panel.
"The present ban appears consistent with a longstanding tradition of age- and safety-based restrictions on the ability to access arms," he added.
Thursday's decision upheld a September 2011 ruling by District Judge Sam Cummings in Lubbock, Texas.
The case had been brought a year earlier by the NRA, firearms dealers and individuals against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is part of the Department of Justice.
NRA DISAPPOINTED
The 5th Circuit said it was the first federal appeals court to address the ban since the Supreme Court in 2008 announced a broad Second Amendment right for individuals to keep and bear arms, in the case District of Columbia v. Heller.
"We are disappointed," said David Thompson, managing partner at Cooper & Kirk in Washington, who represents the NRA. "The ruling is inconsistent with the Supreme Court's opinion in Heller, and we are considering all of our appellate options."
The Justice Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
In reaching its conclusion, the 5th Circuit also rejected an NRA request that it apply "strict scrutiny" in considering the sales ban.
It said a less rigorous review was appropriate because the law did not prevent 18- to 20-year-olds from using handguns for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and people subject to the ban would eventually surmount it by turning 21.
"The government has satisfied its burden of showing a reasonable means-ends fit between the challenged federal laws and an important government interest," Prado wrote.
Prado was appointed to the 5th Circuit by President George W. Bush. He was joined in his opinion by Judge Carolyn Dineen King, who was appointed by President Jimmy Carter; and Judge Catharina Haynes, who was also appointed by Bush.
The case is National Rifle Association of America Inc et al v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives et al, 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, No. 11-10959.
(Editing by Martha Graybow and Xavier Briand)
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 12:59:51 PM »
If you're old enough to vote or go get killed in service to your country, you're old enough to buy a handgun.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »
If you're old enough to vote or go get killed in service to your country, you're old enough to buy a handgun.

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: NRA loses another one.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 01:59:38 PM »
Not according to those 5 jackasses.

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 05:01:13 PM »
If you're old enough to vote or go get killed in service to your country, you're old enough to buy a handgun.

Definitely. 16 year old idiots are allowed to drive 4000 pound weapons on a daily basis but an 18 year old soldier who carries a rifle and a handgun in defense of this country isn't allowed to buy a handgun when he comes home.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 12:04:38 PM »
I have always thought that was a real lapse of logic. If that is the case, no person under 21 should in any case be accepted into active duty in the military, effective immediately.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 12:49:10 PM »
Logic has no place in politics or the Law in this country.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 07:54:48 AM »
I did my military basic training in Ft. Leonard Wood Missouri at age 18. I couldn't even buy a coke in the nearest village watering hole because they also sold alcohol.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2012, 05:06:42 AM »
When our son came home form his first tour in Iraq he was 20, I had to buy a handgun first, and transfer it to his name, he could buy it, but not from an FFL dealer. Did not sound right to me...but I wound up transfering another into his name before he turned 21 and he also bought another one through private sale from someone else. We got her done, but something is wrong with an 18 year old not being able to buy from a dealer. Especially if they let them play with military weapons and explosives in another country. It is legal for them to have handguns in their name and use them, I really can't see the difference in 18 year olds buying them in private sales or an FFL dealer, but somebody somewhere must think there is. Before he got his CPL he opened carried before the age of 21...they gave him no choice on that either as you have to be 21 to get a CPL. So a couple times he had to use the old "are you detaining me" to the questioning officers, but all turned out well on those occasions, not much they could do as that is legal here too. So it turns out they make the rules...then the same ones complain when you go to the store with it in plain sight...how ironic is that? 

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 04:43:58 AM »
If you're old enough to vote or go get killed in service to your country, you're old enough to buy a handgun.

Agreed......
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