Removing sights from a Rem./ Baikal SPR 18 Rifle ?

[jedman]

   I just got my new Rem. / Baikal single shot rifle and would like to take off the iron sights.
Both the front and rear are mounted on a ramp or base and I would like to know if any of you have removed them from your rifle.
When I removed the rear sight from the base there appears to be a treaded stud with a strange round nut underneath and looks as like you would need some sort of spanner type bit to remove the nut ?
The front sight has a spring under it for elevation adjustment, but I have not tried to drive the pin out to remove the blade to see if there is a screw under the spring.
What I would like to do is remove both front and rear completely, if anyone has done it and knows how to remove them, I would like to know.   Thanks,   Jedman

[jedman]

   Just in case anyone else wanted to remove there sights, I have done it with mine and will include some pics so you know what to expect.  I had to take a straight slot screwdriver bit and grind the center out of it to remove the round nuts, sorry I forgot to show it in the pic.
  The front sight has 8 parts to it, ramp, sight blade, spring, pin, and 4 round spanner type nuts. The rear sight has 5 parts, ramp,rear sight, screw, washer, round nut.
  As you can see the treaded studs that the ramps were mounted on are welded to the barrel and to remove them you would need to cut or grind them off , and file or grind the stud off flush with the barrel.
  So once you do this there is no putting the sights back on. Hope this helps anyone thinking of doing this.
  Jed

Added on 5/13 -    Just one other thing to add, I cut off the treaded sight studs that were welded to the barrel, they are STAINLESS STEEL or of a alloy that will not take blue, so you cant hide the spots.

[hillbill]

wow thats a unusual way of anchoring sights! id expect nothing less from baikal.i was very unhappy with my spr18 and was glad to finally get rid of it.had to have it worked over by a smith to even get it to go off on a regular basis.however once i did get it fixed i fired one of the best groups ive ever done at 100yrds with iron sites.this was after trying to get a scope to mount on the unsquare reciever, that didnt work, so while i was showing i guy who was interested in it how it shot with iron sites ,it would put them all in a golf ball at a 100 yrds.i dont miss it and he dont know no better.

[Brithunter]

wow thats a unusual way of anchoring sights! id expect nothing less from baikal.i was very unhappy with my spr18 and was glad to finally get rid of it.had to have it worked over by a smith to even get it to go off on a regular basis.however once i did get it fixed i fired one of the best groups ive ever done at 100yrds with iron sites.this was after trying to get a scope to mount on the unsquare reciever, that didnt work, so while i was showing i guy who was interested in it how it shot with iron sites ,it would put them all in a golf ball at a 100 yrds.i dont miss it and he dont know no better.

Hmmm so let me get this straight  just because it's a different idea it's no good?  Now I'll wager the reason it didn't go off is because YOU didn't close the rifle properly. I had this happen a couple of times and I soon twiged it was when I tried closing it gently and quietly. Bring the stock up sharply so it snaps shut and have never had a problem since. The action has an inbuilt safety and your were obviously not getting past it.

As for the scope mounts well they mount on the barrel and not the action so perhaps that was your problem you were trying to put the scop mount on the wrong bit  . I have never used the irons as the rear sight had been removed when i obtained it.

[hillbill]

sorry ,nope on both counts!  it would misfire no matter how yu held it or closed it about 1 out of 5 times. after the smith worked it over, and he said it was a mess inside, it went off every time.this was a brand new gun.the scope did not mount on the barrel on mine, it was some kind of weird 11 mm rail mount on the action that was unsquare with the barrel. it shot so far to the left that no matter what scope i put on it it didnt have enuf adjustment to get it back to center.i dont want a gun i have to close a certain way to get it to shoot. i want a quality gun that works all the time no matter how gently or hard i close it.as far as the sights go, they are junk, just look at them!im a remington man all the way but not on thier cheap import junk crap.

[Brithunter]

Sorry to hear that you have no idea of what your talking about   the Baikal MH18 which is the Remington Spartan 18 with different stocking fits the scope on an intergral scope rail on the barrel like so:-



It does not fit the reciever/action at all:-




With 6x40 AO scope.

 Now:-

it shot so far to the left that no matter what scope i put on it it didnt have enuf adjustment to get it back to center.i dont want a gun i have to close a certain way to get it to shoot. i want a quality gun that works all the time no matter how gently or hard i close it.as far as the sights go, they are junk, just look at them!im a remington man all the way but not on thier cheap import junk crap.

As for the sights the foresight is robust and elevation adjustable the rear is windage adjustable what more do plain iron sights need? As for the scope mounting problems it never occured to you that the cheap crappy scope rings you tried using were probably the cause. And no I did not see the rings but by the tone of your post one can tell your a real cheapskate and brought cheap pot metal junk to put on this cheap Ruskie rifle  . The scope was probably likewise bottom of the barrel cheap one.

I have never understood wy the factory can make a nice trigger on the single barrel Model 18 shotguns yet put out the heavy trigger with drag on the rifles? makes no sense to me. Unless the US litigation derived problems meant that Remington specified this type of trigger to the factory and so they are all the same on the rifles? I would also like to see Walnut on the ones were sold in the UK rather than the Artic Birch we get stained that horrible brouwn. I re-shaped the stock on mine and stained a bit but it's not the colour I really want as yet to this summer I will have another go and the wood colour.

If you want quality then why are you a Remington man  ?

Now If I wanna see junk I just go and dig in the back tucked away rack at the gunshop at look at the new Remington tacky plastic thing they have hidden back there now that'sa real piece of modern gunmaking junk complete with glued in barrel .

[hillbill]

yu are correct, the scope does mount on the barrel, i was wrong. as soon as i saw your pic i remembered it.that doesnt change the fact that it had to be worked over to be reliable or the fact that the scope mount was made in such a way that the eye relief was impossible to adjust correctly for me, or the fact that the intergrel scope mount was off center with the barrel.im sure your rifle is a goodun, mine wasnt.i also agree with yu that modern remingtons are definitely not the rifles they once were. i do not own anything they made with plastic on or in it.or will i ever. i guess come to think of it im not sure i even own a rifle of any type made within the last 10 years possibly much longer.my opinion is simply that, as is yours.

[hillbill]

after rereading your post, i just wanted to add that one of the scopes i mounted on the spr was a luepold 6x16 i believe, a very expensive scope mounted with appropriate rings that had functioned fine on my 6.5x55 mauser and also on my ruger no 1.also mounted were a nikon and a bsa that are both resideing on other rifles i own now and im very satisfied with.so the cheapskate thing really is unfounded.happy hunting!

[Deer Slayer]

Just bought this gun for a beater to be carried on a UTV. 3-9 scoped and it is a great gun for the money. As for the front sight I just removed the pin and the post so it does not catch material in a soft case. I did not want to punch off the soldered base threaded pins. Never had a misfire after about 10 rounds to sight in. I dont imagine you would want this as your only gun for long shooting but mine is zero'd at 50 yds for the close shots anyway. Once again great gun for the purpose I bought.
 
Second day out Nov 17,2012 shot a nice 8 point buck, Big deer up here in Canada.

[Drilling Man]

  I've read SEVERAL post about this gun misfireing , on other forums.  Everyone also posted that the actions were full of gunk/fileings, and once flushed out, the mis fireing went away.
 
  I've also read a couple times before, about the dovtail not being cut parraell to the bbl., causeing the scopes to run out of windage.
 
  I've thought about buying one myself, you just have to go into it knowing you "may" run into those problems...
 
  DM

[hillbill]

  I've read SEVERAL post about this gun misfireing , on other forums.  Everyone also posted that the actions were full of gunk/fileings, and once flushed out, the mis fireing went away.
 
  I've also read a couple times before, about the dovtail not being cut parraell to the bbl., causeing the scopes to run out of windage.
 
  I've thought about buying one myself, you just have to go into it knowing you "may" run into those problems...
 
  DM

well guess my experience was not unusual.when i picked it up from my gunsmith, he said it looked like the interenals had been stoned on a concrete block. it did work fine after that and he installed a rem 700 scope mount that worked much better.i sold it to a buddy who needed a gun for his kid to hunt deer.we took it out and shot it and he could not hit a  wash tub with iron sights while i was hittin a soup can every time at 100 yrds. i think his boy killed a nice buck with it that year.

[jedman]

  I see this 2 1/2 year old post was dug up again.  Just to report on my rifle, I was lucky and got a good one.  I have killed a bunch of antelope with it and have not had a bit of problems with it failing to fire. I did remove the butt stock to work on the trigger and try to reduce the creep and pull weight. The action is very rugged and there is no plastic or anything cheap about it. The frame shows machine marks as do some of the other parts ( expected ) but no burrs or metal chips or any junk leftover from machining.
 The way I look at it for a rifle to have a, hammer forged barrel, hard chrome bore, walnut stocks with checkering and shoot MOA for $ 190.00 including shipping ( Buds Guns ) is one hell of a bargain.      Jed