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GOP stops hunters.
« on: November 26, 2012, 04:42:47 PM »
http://news.msn.com/politics/gop-blocks-bill-to-give-hunters-more-land-access
 
59 min ago By Mary Clare Jalonick of The Associated Press
The bill would have increased land access and allow hunters to bring home as trophies 41 polar bears killed in Canada before the government started protecting polar bears as a threatened species.
WASHINGTON — A wide-ranging bill to give hunters and fishermen more access to public lands stalled in the Senate Monday after Republicans said it spends too much money.
Republicans supported opening lands for outdoorsmen and many other provisions in the bill sponsored by Democratic Sen. Jon Tester, but GOP senators blocked the legislation on principle Monday evening in a mostly party-line procedural vote after Senate Budget Committee's top Republican, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, objected to spending on conservation programs included in the bill.
The sportsmen's bill would increase land access and allow hunters to bring home as trophies 41 polar bears killed in Canada before the government started protecting polar bears as a threatened species. The legislation would also exclude ammunition and tackle from federal environmental laws that regulate lead, allow bow hunters to cross federal land where hunting isn't allowed, encourage federal land agencies to help states maintain shooting ranges, boost fish populations and protect animal habitat.
Sessions said he supported the overall bill but objected to spending on conservation programs that he said violated budget rules. Democrats argued that the bill also raised money for those provisions.
The bill also faced some objections from environmental groups over the polar bear imports and exclusions from lead standards.
The lead provision threatens public health and the measures "could set back wildlife conservation efforts," said California Sen. Barbara Boxer, the Democratic chairwoman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, while acknowledging she supported other provisions in the bill. Boxer was the only Democrat to vote against moving the bill forward Monday.
Ammunition and tackle that contain lead are now unregulated under federal toxic substance laws, and the EPA has so far declined to regulate them. The bill would make it law that the Environmental Protection Agency could not regulate ammunition and tackle, leaving those decisions to states. Environmental groups opposing the exemption say that birds on land and water are killed by lead poisoning after eating the spent ammunition and fishing tackle.
The polar bear provision would allow the hunters — two from Tester's home state of Montana — who killed polar bears in Canada just before a 2008 ban on polar bear trophy imports took effect — to bring the bears' bodies across the border. The hunters involved were not able to bring the trophies home before the Fish and Wildlife Service listed them as a threatened species.
Some animal welfare groups, including of The Humane Society of the United States, say that allowing the polar bears bodies across the border could set a bad precedent and embolden other hunters to try and circumvent threatened or endangered species laws.
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Re: GOP stops hunters.
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 02:40:45 AM »
This is a silly fight over nothing.  just allow reasonable logging and the timber companies will keep the roads at least passable with 4-wheel drive.  we don't need a herd of government employes roaming around closing gate and other nuisance acts.
and bring home those polar bears.  they were legal to kill, they are not endangered, so it's silly to bow to a bunch of vegans.
the government has this stupid idea that they have to regulate and oversee every little facet of our lives.
the patch of public land that I've used for years has fewer deer and virtually no rabbits because of the greenies lawsuit to stop logging.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 04:32:36 AM »
Looks like there was a goodly amount of new spending in this bill.And as typical of the democrat senate rules, there can be no ammendments to bills on the senate floor, so the new spending programs couldn't be cut out, and the rest of the bill left to stand on its own.
 So the natural thing to do when it didn't pass is to blame the minority party  ::) And as witnessed here and a couple other websites, the divide and conquer thing is working. The Paulistinians that screamed about excess spending, are belly achin about this bill not passing,,, because they think "hunters" got the shaft, but no mention of the new spending that was stopped.... ???
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 07:38:24 AM »
The article states that the "spending" was "covered" by provisions within the bill (I'm guessing new taxes on sporting goods again).

Irrespective....who crafted the bill? Someone tried to help the sportsmen, but someone also put a poison pill in the bill.

Now let's see if the republicans can write a new bill that will pass? Or will they just ignore it now like always. I'm also going to predict that we will be seeing the republicans doing a lot of "bend over quietly and spread em" for a long time now.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 08:39:19 AM »
I say if there is spending in it, they did right. They are the ones trying to reduce spending. If it was a clean bill it would have passed. Instead of blaming the Republicans for stopping it, lets get the story of who put the extra spending in it.


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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 11:00:06 AM »
It was John Tester (democrat) senator from Montana's bill.
And just like anything else that the republicans have sent up from the house or tried to introduce from the Senate. Harry Reid ain't gonna let it happen. But they will spin it out, it was those nasty republicans that killed it.....And it typical fashion the don't gore my ox crowd gets flushed out in spades.... :P
Obama's health care "cost" is covered in the bill as well. ::)
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 11:19:18 AM »
The GOP did not stop the bill, the Dems stuck spending in the bill knowing the GOP would noty go along to make the GOP look bad.  And they were successful.  That spending was for more Rangers and Government Employees, not needed, got too many as is.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 11:37:27 AM »
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Now let's see if the republicans can write a new bill that will pass? Or will they just ignore it now like always. I'm also going to predict that we will be seeing the republicans doing a lot of "bend over quietly and spread em" for a long time now.

 
 
 
Would that include Ron Paul (who is a Republican)?
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Re: GOP stops hunters.
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 12:00:16 PM »
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Now let's see if the republicans can write a new bill that will pass? Or will they just ignore it now like always. I'm also going to predict that we will be seeing the republicans doing a lot of "bend over quietly and spread em" for a long time now.

 
 
 
Would that include Ron Paul (who is a Republican)?

Pay attention.....Ron retired. ::)

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-gives-defeated-farewell-speech-congress-181700364--finance.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CQYorZQ2gMAAZrQtDMD
 
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 01:04:58 PM »
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Pay attention.....Ron retired. ::)

 
 
 
Not being a paulinista, I missed that.   ::)    Somehow I doubt it would have made a difference in your post had he stuck around.
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Re: GOP stops hunters.
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »
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Pay attention.....Ron retired. ::)

 
 
 
Not being a paulinista, I missed that.   ::)    Somehow I doubt it would have made a difference in your post had he stuck around.

True, it would not have made a difference.....the GOP is the republican wing of the socialistdemolib party now.
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