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Offline Ty_Webb

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« on: February 19, 2004, 06:52:53 AM »
Well, I happened to stumble across this board this morning and from the sound of it, just in time.  I had ordered a new Gamo Shadow Supreme last night and after reading some of the comments regarding Gamo's reputation, I quickly called Cabela's and cancelled the order.  So I've got $300 burning a hole in my pocket.  What would you all recommend I purchase?  I'm using this rifle mainly for prairie dog control.  Thanks![/b]
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2004, 12:55:53 PM »
Ty_Webb,

Go to http://www.compasseco.com/shop/prod_show.php?art_no=RWS35022 and check out the RWS 350M in .22 caliber.  Powerful and accurate it is one of the most powerful break barrel springers going.  My son in-law to be took a nice tom turkey last fall at 50 +/- yards with his.  Lawdog
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2004, 01:03:10 PM »
Thanks Lawdog.  I appreciate the response and I'll look into it.  Would a RWS 34 or a Beeman GH1000 also meet this need?
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2004, 01:08:30 PM »
All depends on the ranges you will be shooting at.  Personally I don't care for the GS1000.  What you pay extra for a gold plated trigger isn't worth the extra money.  I do like Beemans products.  Lawdog
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2004, 01:54:15 AM »
Best bets in the $300.00 range are the Beeman R-9 and RWS 48.  In a hunting situation as you mentioned, I'd probably lean towards the 48 in .22.  But then, it's hard to go wrong with the R-9.

Here's a pic of my RWS 52(RWS 48 with a nicer stock)
http://photos.imageevent.com/chill6x6/airgunpixi//websize/Airgun%20Pix%201%20027.jpg

Here's a pic of my R-9s..
http://photos.imageevent.com/chill6x6/miscii//websize/R-9scrowprissy%20005.jpg
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2004, 04:41:53 AM »
BSA SuperSport is also worth a look, especially if you want something a little lighter to carry.  Its a shame Beeman doesn't import the R9 (HW95) in .22, which I prefer for hunting applications.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2004, 07:58:00 AM »
There are many nice guns that would fill your hunting requirements.  However, if $300 is THE budget, guns such as the R9 and BSA Supersport are two good choices.  You may also want to consider a Webley Stingray.  All three of these guns get many good reviews.  

You may also be considering a scope to help you humanely hit those prairie dogs at longer ranges.  You don't want to put a cheap scope or mounts on a quality gun due to budget constraints.  I recommend you look at the total cost prior to making your final decision on the guns.  The total price of a decent scoped R9/ Supersport/Stingray will come much closer (over a little) to your budget than a RWS48 or 350.

FWIW, I also considered he GH1000 at the time I purchased the R9.  One reason I wanted to replace my Shadow 1000 was all of the talk about the "bad Gamo triggers".  I was happy with the fit, finish, accuracy, and performance of my Gamo, but wanted to see if all the hype over the Rekord trigger was true.  When I found that the GH1000 had a plastic trigger, not a Rekord (not gold either) I was so disappointed I never considered it again.  The plastic may be fine with many people, but since the trigger was one of the main reasons I was looking for a new gun, I wanted to make sure I got one that many people recommend.  NOTE:  I'm not trying to influence you into buying an R9 for the trigger.  Yes it is very nice, but I’m sure the owners of  Supersports and  Stingrays are very fond of theirs as well.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2004, 10:29:36 AM »
I appreciate everyone's feedback.  I'm leaning towards the R9.  I tried getting a hold of Pomona today to order one, but they had a "medical emergency".  I'm sure they will direct me to the appropriate equipment, but what scopes do you guys recommend if I'm going to be trying to hit these guys humanely from about 30-50yds.?
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2004, 11:09:19 AM »
Well I got tired of Pomona not answering their phone.  Tried 3 times this afternoon after 1pm as they indicated on the message left on there this a.m.  Number one rule in business, don't tell people to call back at a specified time, if no one will be there to answer the phones.  Anyway, went ahead and ordered the R9 Goldfinger from Cabela's.  Not much of a price difference and I like dealing with them most of the time anyway.  Getting the Goldfinger package seemed to be the easier choice for me because it already comes with a nice scope and its ready to shoot coming out of the box.  I appreciate everyone's help and I'll let you all know how it goes when I get it next week.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2004, 02:02:47 AM »
"Anyway, went ahead and ordered the R9 Goldfinger from Cabela's."

That is news to me that Cabelas even offers an R-9.  That is new and good news.  ALSO new to me is that the Cabelas version of the "Goldfinger" comes in a .177.  The "Goldfinger" has been .20 caliber EXCLUSIVELY for YEARS.  I see it is in fact .177 at Cabelas.

The Goldfinger comes with a "Crow Mag" style muzzle brake, Beeman 5030M mounts, and a Bushnell Banner 4-12X40AO scope.  When you add it up, that isn't a bad choice at all.  I think you made a great choice!

What pellets did you get to go with it?
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2004, 04:51:58 AM »
I haven't ordered any pellets yet.  I figured I could pick some up at the local outdoor store.  I've noticed on a few other posts that some of you are particular to a few brands.  Any recommendations would be welcome.

I was a little surprised that Cabela's is advertising it as an "exclusive".  But seeing that I didn't see the R9 in a .177 anywhere else maybe they do have the exclusive.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2004, 05:14:41 AM »
I believe the Goldfinger .177 IS exclusive to Cabelas.  AirgunExpress, Pomona Air, and FSI all offer the Goldfinger in .20 ONLY.  The term "Goldfinger" indicated is comes with a gold plated trigger, Bushnell Banner 4-12X40AO, Beeman 5030 mounts, and a "Crow Mag style" muzzlebrake.

For PELLETS...the RWS Superdome, Crosman Premier 7.9gr(boxed), Beeman FTS, and JSB Exacts are the pellets to try.  One of those is almost always in the running for most accurate in my .177s.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2004, 06:28:46 AM »
[quote/]For PELLETS...the RWS Superdome, Crosman Premier 7.9gr(boxed), Beeman FTS, and JSB Exacts are the pellets to try.  One of those is almost always in the running for most accurate in my .177s.[/quote]

Thanks for your help.  As far as hunting pellets go, are the above suitable or should I consider some pointed pellets?
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2004, 10:51:35 AM »
Ty_Webb,

You might find this pellet impact comparison test interesting.  Go to http://home.hiwaay.net/~ispellan/PelletTest02.html and check out the different pellet tested and how they would work for small game hunting.  I prefer a pellet that opens up just like bullets for big game hunting.  I find them to anchor game better than using a pointed or doomed pellet that acts just like a solid bullet in a centerfire cartridge.  We used to loose a number of brush bunnies every year to them crawling down holes after being hit with doomed/pointed pellets.  Now using Crow Magnum pellets we don't loose anywhere near as many bunnies.  They also anchor squirrels better.  Good Luck with your new Beeman and keep us informed on your progress.  Lawdog
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2004, 04:38:48 PM »
"Thanks for your help. As far as hunting pellets go, are the above suitable or should I consider some pointed pellets?"

I've got twenty-seven DIFFERENT .177 pellets to choose from here.  You name it, I've got it with few expections.  I'll give you the guidelines I use.

Pointed-type pellets generally aren't good for anything.  They are generally at the bottom of the heap where accuracy is concerned.  When is accuracy NOT a concern?  Of the twenty-six .177 rifles I now own and and many more I HAVE owned not ONE was sufficiently accurate with any pointed-type pellet.  ALSO, pointed-type pellets zip thru game, not doing a lot of damage.  

Wadcutters are generally the most accurate.  They also do a lot of damage on game.  Their problem is ballistic coefficient.  Wind will really blow them around and trajectory suffers as well.  Also, energy on target can often be half as much as with a good dome pellet.  They DO have their place when targets are close or you have over-penetration concerns.

Hollow points also do a lot of damage to game.  Issues with hollow points include accuracy, trajectory, and wind drift.  Even with the best shooting hollow point pellet, I can always seem to find a good dome pellet that is more accurate.  Also, even the BEST .177 hollow point pellet retains less energy than a good dome.  For the longest shots, I rule out hollow points.  

I prefer dome-shaped pellets for most every application outside of serious target work.  The better domes are almost the wadcutters equal in the accuracy department up close.  As the range increases the dome pellets attributes begin to shine.  Hitting the vitals is the name of the game and if you do your part the dome pellet will do its' part.  The better dome pellets generally offer substantially flatter trajectory, more energy downrange, and less wind drift than other pellet types.  I shoot more of the JSB Exacts, Crosman Premiers, and Beeman FTS than all my other pellets COMBINED.
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