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Offline zorak

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P.O. Ackley books
« on: September 10, 2008, 09:06:00 PM »
How many people use or have used the reloading books from P.O. Ackley.I know its mainly for wildcat rounds which is what I have a 6mm/.284.

If you look at Ackleys loads for the same grain bullet and powder he is alot high on powder charges than the other books Hornady and Hodgons.

Have any of you his powder specs for loading or do you tone it down some and make it a happy medium between the two books I am just curious.

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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 12:42:56 AM »
I bought the books several years back at a not inconsiderable sum of money. I looked them over when I got them and decided that for the most part the data was out of date and of little use to me. I immediately wished I had not spent the money. I've not opened the books since. For me at least I place my copy of Ken Waters Pet Loads into that same category. If I had it to do over knowing what I do now I'd have bought neither.


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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2008, 03:39:50 AM »
I do not have any of his books, but I know from doing a lot of reading on the subject that the old wildcatters pushed the limit on pressure quite high. The 22-250 was a wildcat round before Remington made it legitimate. Most of the loads were much hotter than what Remington decided to make it. It is still a hot number, but not to the extent that was back in the day. The old wildcatters worked with nothing but "signs". They would start stuffing powder into the case until they got flattened primers or sticky bolt handle and then back off just a little. The trouble is, that most of those guns have custom chambers; many with tight necks too. Those tight chambers will not show pressure signs as readily as a standard chamber. You get over pressures and not know it. They had nothing else to work with and were loading by the seat of their pants. I read about a writer that had developed a wildcat and told a technician at a facility that measured pressure that he had been loading this for a long time. His said he was sure his pet load was safe, there were no pressure signs and cases had a long life. He was embarrassed when the technician found out other wise. Another example was a guy that worked with Lil'Gun in a 221 Fire Ball. He told Hodgdon that 16.6 grains under a 40 grain bullet got him 3600 fps and it was safe - no pressure signs. Hodgdon did it's own testing and found out that 16.0 grains was the top pressure limit with a speed of some where just South of 3400 fps. I have several older reloading books from about 30 years ago. There are several examples of loads that were considered safe back then that have been reduced over the years by the same publishers, like Speer, Hornady and Sierra. I think they have better means of measuring pressure now days in comparison to yesteryear or they used signs for lack of pressure equipment in some cases back then. I keep the old books around for amusement, not reference, I use modern up to date books for my reloading data. Good Luck and Good Shooting.
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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2008, 04:02:06 AM »
The Ackley books are worth the read,"once". As Graybeard points out, the data is outmoded. Sierra's #5 manual has a goodly number of Ackley cartridges with up-to-date, tested data. Ackley did some fantastic things with his "improvements",however, that was then, this is now!
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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2008, 04:47:07 AM »
I have P.O. Ackley Handbooks Vols. I and II.  I bought them on clearance, so the money wasn't an issure.

I enjoy reading them and I reference them many times when some so called new factory cartridges are born, they prove these new designs have been thought of many years earlier.

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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2008, 05:02:00 AM »
"Have any of you his powder specs for loading or do you tone it down some and make it a happy medium between the two books"

I own and treasure three Ackley books but I bought them more for the articles than the data.  I have never quite understood how/why so many folks want "Pet Loads", from a book or on line, so they won't have to do the work of developing their own load the way the book writers tell us to do it!  I mean every one who is alarmed that manuals vary in max charges and velocities need only recognise that they are each right, the data they give is correct for the firearms they used and each of them use different firearms, as do we!

Ackley DID NOT develop all of the data in his books, much of it was provided to him by other people who owned or designed the cartridges.  He included it in his books to provide a place for others to start, not as gospel truth for all guns and all people for all ages! 

Do as the books say; start low and ONLY work up IF there are no pressure signs.  Never mind trying to average them into some sort of happy medium.  NEVER attempt to average the differences between books to find some mythical "maximum" charge level that will still be safe in every rifle/handgun. 

If you don't know how to read pressures, stick with the lowest book charges you can find!
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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »
any of you guys with p o ackleys books care to look and see if they have info on a .244 krag or 6mm krag RKB? any help would be great. these books have become expensive and i don't want to buy just to find there is no info in them for this wildcat thanks, mike.

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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 01:54:17 AM »
     I just ordered Vol. II of Ackley's books (503 pages) from Cornell Publications for $32.00 and change and this included shipping. They have a lot of the old reloading manuals and many other gun books and the prices are in the $20.00 range. They told me that they do not keep the books in stock but print them as they get the order for them and it only takes a week or so. Might want to check them out.

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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 08:24:17 AM »
My copies of Ackley's books are in storage but for the 6mm-.284 you can use the data for 6mm-06 and .240 Weatherby, ballistically all the same.  Usually need to go to 100 gr bullets or heavier to take advantage of the big boiler room.
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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 09:09:29 AM »
I have had my Ackley books longer than i can remember. I have and still would with the data in there. Reduce the loads several grains and work up your own loads! It's where I got my starting loads for my 6.5x06.

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Re: P.O. Ackley books
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2012, 06:06:57 PM »
Parkers max data is for a lot of guns, real hot. If you have a tight chamber and a tight barrel, maybe too hot. I don't think his data is good for a novice reloader as it's certainly not been lawyered over. Any reloader should already know that you should review all data from all manuals and create a starting load from a consensus of data, not just pick up any one manual and load the max listed in it. If you don't know that not all firearms are created equal, you shouldn't be reloading at all. No manual is an absolute regardless of whose name is on the cover, but a guide. Ackleys is no different and if you aren't smart enough to know- START LOW AND WORK UP. Then maybe we need to let you be ignorant and thin the herd. I use it often as I load quite a few wildcats.